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Is "openly Jewish" a hate crime under the April Fools Scottish hate crime law?

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lechiffre55 · 19/04/2024 19:59

A Metropolitan police officer threatened to arrest a man for being "Openly Jewish" in London. Is this a hate crime in Scotland under the new hate crime laws?

I think it is. Could someone report it for me please I find it incredibly offensive and racist. I want to see what happens when Scottish Police try to get involved with racist actions taken by the Metropolitan Police.

https://twitter.com/Jebadoo2/status/1781393179683483960

https://twitter.com/Jebadoo2/status/1781393179683483960

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Thevelvelletes · 19/04/2024 22:25

Would the officer done that to a black person if a far right match was happening....the not the nine o clock news sketch instantly sprang to mind.

notimagain · 19/04/2024 22:20

@IwantToRetire

In France you aren't allowed to wear anything that is seen as religious, ie women not wearing the veil, although have no idea if this means that in France Jewish men cant wear a skull cap in public

That's not quite correct. There isn't a blanket national ban here on wearing any clothing that is seen as religious.

There is however a national ban on wearing obvious religious symbols in the public (i.e. state) schools and as you say full face veils.

I've seen Kippah's worn locally (large Jewish population in the city up the road).

ViolinSpin · 19/04/2024 22:10

NotAllowed · 19/04/2024 21:44

Seems like a setup to manufacture sympathy

Are you saying the gentleman knew the police would react that way?
What do you mean by this post?

I think the whole thing is awful. He just wanted to go about his business in London.

HeadDeskHeadDesk · 19/04/2024 21:49

NotAllowed · 19/04/2024 21:44

Seems like a setup to manufacture sympathy

Would you care to explain how that would work?

NotAllowed · 19/04/2024 21:44

Seems like a setup to manufacture sympathy

lechiffre55 · 19/04/2024 21:43

Where @ArabellaScott quotes
"Another officer said: "You will be escorted out of this area so you can go about your business, go where you want freely or, if you choose to remain here, because you are causing a breach of peace with all these other people, you will be arrested."
The clip showed the officer saying that Mr Falter's presence was "antagonising".'"

Isn't this discrimination based on a protected characteristic under the equalities act? Being "openly Jewish" is "causing a breach of peace". What the police officer said is itself illegal? Add onto that the threat of arrest, and I can't see how it could possibly get any worse.

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IwantToRetire · 19/04/2024 21:42

Should have added at the end of my post, which I know is long, but the stupidity of what this individual police man did is that many people who are "openly Jewish" participate in the "pro Palestinian" marches.

Following his logic he should have asked all of them to leave the march!

So much of what goes wrong today is about people at the very end of a long path of decision making being left to implement something they have neither the skill, nor the relevant information to act on.

EasternStandard · 19/04/2024 21:36

This is madness

IwantToRetire · 19/04/2024 21:31

I think this makes the Met look really stupid, but have to say I think politcians have ramped up this situation, and doubt the Met or any police force, nor the ordinary person on the street would come out of this well in taking a decision on the spur of the moment.

I certainly think the Met should apologise, but I think we need to find a way to calm down the whole hate crime, dobbing people in culture that people like Braverman have provoked.

And as we know from how quick TRAs are to report someone to the police, there is no doubt this happens in other areas. For all we know someone approached the police man I said I feel threatened. (And doubt that met police are required to be educated about different religions, cultures and the importance of signifiers of that.)

In France you aren't allowed to wear anything that is seen as religious, ie women not wearing the veil, although have no idea if this means that in France Jewish men cant wear a skull cap in public.

The boroughs in the part of London I live in have had to resort to no public displays whether flags or posters reflecting support for either side in the Gaza conflict. (Not forgetting that not that long ago the English flag carried far more connotations than supporting a football team and some boroughs stopped them being displayed on housing estates they managed.)

In Northern Ireland they have the parades commission as a way of "safely" allowing parades in support of differnt communities to go ahead but only on agreed routes. (Isn't there something similar in Scotland in relation to football matches and sectarianism?)

Not meaning to downplay what happened but to expect the bobby on the beat to have the right response is in fact one of the things the Met did complain about. That the Government was franchising out to them decisions about how society should behave, but not having the intergrity to do it itself.

But as OP's question was about how the Scottish police would respond to this situation, I think the question should be asked of the politicians in Scotland who created the law. Not the muggins on the front line who have been left to as individuals interpret, or worse take advantage of to promote their own biases.

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HeadDeskHeadDesk · 19/04/2024 20:28

What the fuck have we come to?

Can you imagine how it would have gone down if an 'openly Muslim' man were told that he's breaching the peace and being antagonistic merely by his Muslim presence in the vicinity of a group of English Defence League marchers?

Imnobody4 · 19/04/2024 20:19

I have no words. The Met are not fit for purpose

ArabellaScott · 19/04/2024 20:17

I think if you reported this it would be referred to the Met, who would presumably then investigate themselves.

Absolutely shocking, though.

'The Met Police has apologised after an officer said an antisemitism charity leader looked "openly Jewish" as he was threatened with arrest for being near a pro-Palestine march.
Gideon Falter was wearing a kippah skull-cap when he was stopped in the Aldwych area of London on Saturday.
He was told by police his presence was causing a "breach of peace", in a video posted online.
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Another officer said: "You will be escorted out of this area so you can go about your business, go where you want freely or, if you choose to remain here, because you are causing a breach of peace with all these other people, you will be arrested."
The clip showed the officer saying that Mr Falter's presence was "antagonising".'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-68856360

A police officer speaks to Gideon Falter

Met Police apologises for 'openly Jewish' comment

Footage shows Gideon Falter being told his presence is "antagonising" near a pro-Palestine march.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-68856360

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