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TRAs don’t want trans people to talk to journalists about DIY HRT… I wonder why?

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HorribleNecktie · 19/04/2024 13:39

From Instagram today:

”I have been reliably informed Guardian journalists are snooping around asking for trans people to talk to them about DIY HRT. They are particularly looking for under 18s doing DIY. Shouldn’t need to be said but. Do. Not. Engage. Spread widely do not engage. We need this notice spread out via every grassroots support group and social circle in the country. Urgent. If they get even one to take part it becomes a national conversation. Top alert.”

For the uninitiated, DIY HRT is manufactured by small suppliers (some in their own home) and sold online, with no safety or hygiene standards, prescription, regulation or oversight. The packaging I’ve seen for one brand was purple holographic card stock printed with anime girls on it and “Keep away from parents” on the box.

Some trans people who have bought DIY hormones have complained the bottles they were sent were contaminated with what appeared to be hair.

Why on Earth would trans activists not want this to be a part of the national conversation about the standards of medical care given to trans identified children, I wonder 🤔. Truly a mystery for the ages.

TRAs don’t want trans people to talk to journalists about DIY HRT… I wonder why?
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Helleofabore · 20/04/2024 05:18

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This is remarkable.

“Sounds like if you cared about people's health, you should be trying to make it easier for trans people to access HRT through the NHS”.

Just because a person wants a medical treatment, doesn’t mean they should get that treatment. Gold standard treatment doesn’t mean giving in to patients demands. It means working out the best treatment for the unique health needs of that patient.

And Bonfire is very much aware of this. Most of us are. In fact, most mature and reasonable thinking humans know this. What a fucked up bit of emotional manipulation you have rolled out with that post.

MrsTerryPratchett · 20/04/2024 03:26

EineKleineNachtwatcher · 20/04/2024 02:24

Nightwatch here

I've suspended that poster's account until MNHQ can deal with it in the morning

Thanks love.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/04/2024 02:35

Thank you @EineKleineNachtwatcher WineGinBrew

Crafting1Queen · 20/04/2024 02:33

Thanks @EineKleineNachtwatcher

EineKleineNachtwatcher · 20/04/2024 02:24

Nightwatch here

I've suspended that poster's account until MNHQ can deal with it in the morning

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/04/2024 02:11

They desperately try and think of the worst thing they can say. But with a woeful vocabulary and zero imagination, that's just about it.

Unfortunately since every troll on the planet says it, it's beginning to sound hackneyed, to me at least.

(And oh so juvenile.)

It's the best they've got when emotional blackmail doesn't work. It's all a bit meh.

Crafting1Queen · 20/04/2024 01:47

Onionbelt · 20/04/2024 01:27

Worst thing I've ever read on Mumsnet. Literally froze when I saw that. And guess which side of the "debate" it's coming from.
When someone shows you who they are... believe them.

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Agree @Onionbelt , had the exact same reaction to that sick post by that other poster.

My next immediate thought was to report it, to get it removed before other people have the misfortune to see it, but then thought - no! Leave it up in all it's spiteful, sickening glory, so everyone can see the depths some posters will go to.

Right side of history, my arse.

If anyone knows how to archive before it does eventually get zapped, that would be much appreciated.

Datun · 20/04/2024 01:35

Well, it, and the poster, won't last.

Onionbelt · 20/04/2024 01:27

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Worst thing I've ever read on Mumsnet. Literally froze when I saw that. And guess which side of the "debate" it's coming from.
When someone shows you who they are... believe them.

Datun · 20/04/2024 01:25

MistyGreenAndBlue · 20/04/2024 01:17

No matter how much you might disagree with someone's opinion, that's a terrible thing to say.

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They desperately try and think of the worst thing they can say. But with a woeful vocabulary and zero imagination, that's just about it.

Unfortunately since every troll on the planet says it, it's beginning to sound hackneyed, to me at least.

(And oh so juvenile.)

CorvusPurpureus · 20/04/2024 01:24

Extinction burst alert. Good to see.

Datun · 20/04/2024 01:20

lonelywater · 20/04/2024 01:08

how does it feel, watching it all fall apart before your very eyes?

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Yep. The gravy train is over. That's got to be smarting.

MistyGreenAndBlue · 20/04/2024 01:17

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No matter how much you might disagree with someone's opinion, that's a terrible thing to say.

songaboutjam · 20/04/2024 01:12

Ahhh, Operation Let Them Speak in full effect.

lonelywater · 20/04/2024 01:08

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how does it feel, watching it all fall apart before your very eyes?

lonelywater · 20/04/2024 01:00

CheeseSandwichRiskAssessment · 20/04/2024 00:43

This sounds more like an Anarchist's manifesto Confused

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swap out "anarchist" for "batshit mentalist" and you have.

CheeseSandwichRiskAssessment · 20/04/2024 00:43

RethinkingLife · 19/04/2024 13:59

At least they're not advocating for DIY surgery as has been a bedrock of relevant manifestos such as Trans Health Scotland. Authors of this trained NHS staff and were at the heart of Miller's Equality Inquiry by the Government's Women and Equalities Committee.

Entitled the Trans Health Manifesto, it reads: 'We demand an end to birth certificates and to legal gender. Gender records should be anonymised, and only ever recorded as part of equalities monitoring.
'Birth certificates are not just a violence against trans people, they are a material to the state's oppression of 'undocumented' immigrants and asylum seekers.
'We demand hormones & blockers are made available over-the-counter and by free prescription upon request.
'We need free, universal access to safe hormones & blockers at any age, the opportunity to decide our own doses, and universally accessible information on the safety & efficacy of different regimens.'
It continues by demanding an end to NHS control over transgender patient appointments, hormones and surgery.
The statement reads: 'There will be no clinics, and no authorities. We will conduct our own research, and experiment with our own bodies.
'We will heal and grow together. We will accumulate knowledge and share it freely and accessibly.
'We demand nothing less than the total abolition of the clinic, of psychiatry, and of the medical-industrial complex.'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5187771/Action-Trans-Health-no-gender-birth-certificates.html

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This sounds more like an Anarchist's manifesto Confused

YourSonIsTrans · 20/04/2024 00:43

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BonfireLady · 19/04/2024 23:40

I had no idea there was such a thing until I read the recent AMA thread from a transwoman.
I didn't post on the thread as I had nothing to add/ask but the part that nearly had me asking a question was about this.
It sounds like it's widespread 😢
The teenagers that are caught up in this awful mess will be oblivious to/nonchalant about the extra risk that they are bringing in to their bodies 😢 As if unevidenced medical intervention with official pharmaceuticals wasn't bad enough, the homemade version is likely to be even worse. I guess it's not a massive surprise to learn that there is an underground industry going on but I had assumed it was just in trading standard pharmaceutical hormones, not DIY.
Welcome to the new series of Breaking Bad 😬😢

songaboutjam · 19/04/2024 22:04

hollyandivyknickers · 19/04/2024 17:56

From the links it’s very amusing to see how much trans Reddit hates the Guardian. Looks like it boycotted from both sides

that and terfs are ‘exceptionally dumb’.

I wonder if establishments like the Guardian will ever realise that courting the trans activism lobby is a surefire way to lose two sets of readers in one fell swoop? Like voting for the Leopards Eating Faces Party and ending up with no face and the other side boycotting you.

rhywlodes · 19/04/2024 18:29

This popped up on my local whatsapp group this morning!

Interesting seeing which of my neighbours 'heart' it...

I looked at reporting it but looks like you can't report a single post, only the person.

hollyandivyknickers · 19/04/2024 17:56

From the links it’s very amusing to see how much trans Reddit hates the Guardian. Looks like it boycotted from both sides

that and terfs are ‘exceptionally dumb’.

AlisonDonut · 19/04/2024 17:49

IKnewThatAlready · 19/04/2024 14:21

Oh God I wish you’d given a trigger warning for that gurning pic of NUS Jessie! Where on earth are they now? Disappeared off into the transgender Bermuda Triangle with Lily Madigan and Aimee Challenor obvs.

Nope. Still a Director of various companies in Manchester. Not sure any of them DO anything of course.

DirtyDuchess · 19/04/2024 17:29

https://diyhrt.market/stores/fiolelabs

Who do we report these people to? It's illegal right?

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