I would probably lose my job, Kirsty Allsopp

KA said something like ‘it’s always been possible to discuss this topic in a civil way and that is what people should do” (not exact quote).

This lead to anger and frustration for many including JKR who responded with all the examples of people who have lost their jobs for discussing the matter in a civil way, including staff at Tavistock.

KA has now said some silly things about toilets, probable because hasn’t thought much beyond ‘be kind’.

It’s a typical Twitter spat because of course KA doesn’t have any particular insight into this topic, and has form for making strange comments and I am sure everyone involved has now had their Twitter feed filled with more than their fare share of abuse, and nobody’s opinion has been changed.

I think this affects women across a range of financial situations. Remember the man who self-identified as a woman, wandering into the room of a woman who was to receive treatment in a private hospital. The concern of the hospital was not directed towards the well being of the patient.

I think the hospital had so much bad publicity that they stopped their appalling attitude towards the woman and finally were shamed into treating her with some respect. Without the publicity and resulting outcry, it may have been a different story.

That's not how I see it.

She's not telling Kirstie Allsop to be quiet, she's calling her out for claiming that it has always been possible to have a civilised debate about this, when Kirstie has never actually put her own neck on the line over this the way JKR and others have.

Kirstie is a minor aristocrat. She doesn't need to work. Most under 35s with pronouns in their bios probably don't even know who she is, and those who do know who she is probably already think she's an idiot for her comments about how they could all buy houses if they cancelled Netflix and went out for brunch less often. So she's the kind of woman who could speak out against gender ideology and face far fewer consequences than most women do for speaking out, yet she hasn't. And now, having not spoken out against it, she's pretending that it has always been possible to do so.

It's disingenuous.

JKR isn't telling her to be quiet, she's calling her out on her bullshit.

Steady on now, literal violence and all that. You don’t want to find your words on one of those compilation photos of people threatening people who don’t agree with you.

‘It’s hard not to want to drown her!’ Vicious nastiness, both sides 😉

I'd prefer she wasn't belittled or threatened for her views on this thread either. She has been willing to wade in so that is her experience, she doesn't have to agree or listen.

She's not a bystander though is she? She's picked a side.

She’s just not very bright. It’s embarrassing to watch

She really is the most silly woman. Brainless. One of those bossy types who always has to be right.

Kirsty also said that instead of arguing and stoking the culture wars, women should agree to discuss and debate. When informed about Stonewall's #nodebate, Kirsty said it didn't exist and that TRAs have always been willing and open to debate.

Basically she does not have a clue what she is talking about because it hasn't affected her in way. Kirsty thinks the whole situation can be resolved by discussion at a dinner party.

I don't get it - has Kirsty Allsop come out as gender critical, but said she's get sacked for it?

Kirsty has not understood the impact of self ID and gender ideology on the dignity, safety and privacy of women and children.

Mostly because Kirsty is wealthy enough to avoid being vulnerable in a hospital ward, womens' refuge or sharing a cell and prison showers with a man.

JKR is also wealthy enough but still wants protection for those women who need it. Kirsty doesn't. Kirsty thinks women should 'be kind' to men.

What's Kirstie Allsopp done?

It's a strange public spat by JK. She is directing her anger at the wrong person. At one point she says it is easier to tell women to be quiet than face TRA's issuing death threats..... which is exactly what she is doing herself.

JK.. I am a huge admirer of how you stand up for women and children, but save your anger for the bad guys. The bystanders do not merit this level of emotional engagement.

(Oh pants... no idea how to get rid of the giphy.. sorry)

An opportunity to roll out me Kirstiename.

Zelda I know what you mean.