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City of Paris bans posters advertising " Transmania" book criticising transgender ideology. Backfires as book now best seller and controversy being covered in MSM.

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334bu · 19/04/2024 09:37

This talk show might be of interest to French speaking MNetters, sorry can't find English subtitles.
Paris's virtue signalling seems to have backfired.
https://rmc.bfmtv.com/replay-emissions/les-grandes-gueules/dora-moutot-et-marguerite-stern-face-aux-gg-18-04_VN-202404180455.html

Dora Moutot et Marguerite Stern face aux GG - 18/04

VIDÉO - Aujourd'hui, c'est au tour de Dora Moutot et Marguerite Stern, auteures du livre "Transmania", de faire face aux GG. - L’émission de libre expression sans filtre et sans masque social… Dans les Grandes Gueules, les esprits s’ouvrent et les poin...

https://rmc.bfmtv.com/replay-emissions/les-grandes-gueules/dora-moutot-et-marguerite-stern-face-aux-gg-18-04_VN-202404180455.html

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Chersfrozenface · 19/04/2024 18:26

HumanBurrito · 19/04/2024 18:23

@ArabellaScott my point was more about instrumentalisation. That said, personally I'd rather not be published than be published by a publisher with far-right links.

So someone who has an important message to convey should accept being silenced.

Got it

HumanBurrito · 19/04/2024 18:23

@ArabellaScott my point was more about instrumentalisation. That said, personally I'd rather not be published than be published by a publisher with far-right links.

unwashedanddazed · 19/04/2024 18:15

Really hope we can have an English translation. I would love to read a feminist perspective into how trans ideology in institutions.

Chersfrozenface · 19/04/2024 17:56

HumanBurrito · 19/04/2024 17:52

It's not a mainstream publisher. It's a tiny indie which I've never come across before, but it seems to have strong far right links (a book prefaced by Philippe de Villiers, FFS, and Zoé Sagan who is close to QAnon[. Marion Maréchal Le Pen has been photographed reading it, which is not a good thing.

Well, if the mainstream bien-pensant publishers won't touch it, are the authors supposed to go "Oh, well, it can't be published, then"?

ArabellaScott · 19/04/2024 17:54

Authors can't control who reads their books.

HumanBurrito · 19/04/2024 17:52

It's not a mainstream publisher. It's a tiny indie which I've never come across before, but it seems to have strong far right links (a book prefaced by Philippe de Villiers, FFS, and Zoé Sagan who is close to QAnon[. Marion Maréchal Le Pen has been photographed reading it, which is not a good thing.

UtopiaPlanitia · 19/04/2024 17:26

ArabellaScott · 19/04/2024 17:11

AT about 18.35 there's a phone in, with 'Beatrix'. Recommend.

From the little bit I understood of both callers, and from their demeanour (and that of the studio guests in response) I got the feeling that Operation Laissez-parler was in full effect 😁

ArabellaScott · 19/04/2024 17:11

AT about 18.35 there's a phone in, with 'Beatrix'. Recommend.

UtopiaPlanitia · 19/04/2024 17:09

334bu · 19/04/2024 09:37

This talk show might be of interest to French speaking MNetters, sorry can't find English subtitles.
Paris's virtue signalling seems to have backfired.
https://rmc.bfmtv.com/replay-emissions/les-grandes-gueules/dora-moutot-et-marguerite-stern-face-aux-gg-18-04_VN-202404180455.html

My A-level French allowed me to get about 50 - 75% of the studio discussion and it was very interesting. The phone-in part was a bit too fast and colloquial for me to get. But I think it’s great to see Marguerite and Dora on a mainstream show having a serious discussion. I really hope their book does well. They’ve both suffered a lot of abuse, some of it physical, for stating their perfectly valid views in the public sphere.

FestiveAuntFanny · 19/04/2024 16:54

Both Stern and Moutot have put up with a lot of shit in the last few years and have been badly let down by quite a lot of female feminist intellectuals here.

It's interesting how the different media landscape, different intellectual tradition and the lack of a JKR-type figure has formed how this has all played out.

Insulation from some of the more batshit American 'intellectual' writings has helped a bit but you do get radio4 equivalent programs on Judith Butler. At least being 'kind' isn't really programmed into french women in the same way!

Purely anecdotally the only 'trans' kids at my kids school came from US or English schools and their teachers (apart from the English one) resolutely refer to them by their original names. They are all classic slightly weird lesbian girls of course poor things.

Ingenieur · 19/04/2024 16:41

ArabellaScott · 19/04/2024 16:22

Yet, there are violent trans activists who have attacked feminists there, too.

https://4w.pub/france-abortion-assault-trans/

D'accord! I humbly accept that my acquaintances in France aren't wholly representitive of their countrymen, but there definitely isn't the same kind of TWAW, thought-termination that there is in the UK.

It is worrying that TRA violence is increasing, hopefully that can be stopped before "decapitate TERFs" makes its way there...

ProfessorPeppy · 19/04/2024 16:38

Dora is very cool, isn’t she? She says that she was cancelled for discussing female biology and refusing to refer to the clitoris as a female penis 😨 she lost most of her contracts due to haranguing by TRAs.

I agree that the French are far more material reality-based than most in the West. Laicité is really fundamental to their world view.

ArabellaScott · 19/04/2024 16:36

4 copies left, now! Get 'em while they're chaud!

ArabellaScott · 19/04/2024 16:32

That clip is brilliant, OP, thanks for sharing! Three raging French women, two very uncomfortable bros flanking her while she rages about the female penis.

City of Paris bans posters advertising " Transmania" book criticising transgender ideology. Backfires as book now best seller and controversy being covered in MSM.
SinnerBoy · 19/04/2024 16:30

Well done to the Parisian authorities for publicising this important book, gratis, to boot!

ArabellaScott · 19/04/2024 16:29

#1 bestseller, fewer than 7 copies left!

https://www.amazon.fr/Transmania-Enqu%C3%AAte-d%C3%A9rives-lid%C3%A9ologie-transgenre/dp/2384220403/ref=sr_1_1

ArabellaScott · 19/04/2024 16:22

Ingenieur · 19/04/2024 09:51

The rection to lots of the gender issues in France has been interesting. My partner's family moved to France (not Paris, though) 20 or so years ago, and all of their friends were deeply interested in the coverageof the Cass report, horrified that the UK had fallen so far, and couldn't understand that there would be hospital units dedicated to this, even (especially?) from a family with an adult gay son.

There does seem to be a more materialist rational streak in the French national psyche, and it is encouraging that there has been such a grass-roots response to the banning of this book advert.

Yet, there are violent trans activists who have attacked feminists there, too.

https://4w.pub/france-abortion-assault-trans/

France: Women Marching for Abortion Assaulted by Trans Activists

Women in Paris told that abortion rights were not “their struggle”

https://4w.pub/france-abortion-assault-trans

Cauliflowery · 19/04/2024 16:21

Ereshkigalangcleg · 19/04/2024 10:21

Marguerite Stern has been targeted by some very threatening TRAs in the past. At one point they defaced a memorial made by mothers to babies who had died as a result of male violence.

https://fr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marguerite_Stern

https://reduxx.info/france-trans-activists-destroy-feminist-mural-to-infant-victims-of-abusive-brain-trauma/

“The collage was trashed. Literally trashed,” she says, noting that her camerawoman lived close to the mural, and had caught a male and female destroying the memorial on the night of July 13. “She didn’t [shy away], she went to go and ask them why they were destroying a memorial to the [deceased] babies.”
The director then states that her camerawoman was told by the vandals that the collage was created by “transphobic feminists.”

“They didn’t care that this memorial was for the grieving mothers. They don’t care about the memory of those babies who died in excruciating pain … they just ransacked it.”

Just horrible. I wish humans could stop prioritising faith to ideologies over real human lives.

334bu · 19/04/2024 16:10

Sorry

City of Paris bans posters advertising " Transmania" book criticising transgender ideology. Backfires as book now best seller and controversy being covered in MSM.
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334bu · 19/04/2024 16:09

Forgot this screenshot from publisher's twitter

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334bu · 19/04/2024 16:05

Amazon.fr now down to 12 remaining copies, Streisand effect seems to be working

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Cailleach1 · 19/04/2024 13:10

Gosh, the body language of the two blokes on the panel as the woman in the middle is speaking. Obviously having done some research based on facts. At one stage, they both had one arm folded across and the both hiding their mouths as she spoke. She wasn’t taking any guff off them! Were they lamenting that women were able to speak in public? Ayatollah like. I think the chappie in the polo definitely knows what women are; they are the ones he has to chide.

My french is so rusty. Maybe some kind francophone will elucidate.

334bu · 19/04/2024 12:05

Not only selling well but I've just checked ratings for the talk show and even if nobody else buys the book, a lot of French people will now know about the issue.

City of Paris bans posters advertising " Transmania" book criticising transgender ideology. Backfires as book now best seller and controversy being covered in MSM.
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TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 19/04/2024 11:03

Being literally the number 1 book on a country’s entire Amazon is a heck of an achievement.
I wonder if it’s with a big publisher or if she has had similar issues to the Anglophone writers on getting a publisher.

Helleofabore · 19/04/2024 10:46

Go Marguerite! I hope that this gets her even more air time.

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