City of Paris bans posters advertising " Transmania" book criticising transgender ideology. Backfires as book now best seller and controversy being covered in MSM.

It is fine for them to sneer at a man claiming to “feel like a woman” if that’s their reaction. Why should they appear “neutral” on a subject they clearly feel very passionately about?

MissScarletInTheBallroom · Today 09:26

Biteback Publishing publishes both Nigel Farage and Angela Eagle, for example.

Wow! Who knew that Frogface Farridge was such a terrible old socialist?

Biteback Publishing publishes both Nigel Farage and Angela Eagle, for example.

This.

The left is forcing feminists out.

No, my experience is the same.

I'd say that to begin with, France just isn't awash with the same kind of "TWAW and if you disagree you're an awful bigot" rhetoric which we see everywhere in English speaking countries. Perhaps I am slightly insulated from it because I don't have teenagers and this stuff isn't very present in the industry where I work, but I just don't encounter it very often in my daily life.

I work for a very large multinational which is quite shiny and corporate, albeit in a traditionally male dominated sector which is very much grounded in physical reality. When there are events focusing on diversity and inclusion, they almost always focus either on women or on disabilities. Even during Pride there is precious little about LGBT+.

I have a male colleague who is gay. He recently "came out" to me in a very casual way, at a housewarming party, by referring to his ex boyfriend. We'd known each other for about 3 years by this point and I suspected he might be gay but we had never discussed it before.

My colleagues are mostly quite young, in their 20s and 30s. Nobody has pronouns in their email signatures or rainbow lanyards. I have no reason to believe any of them are prejudiced against LGBT+ people, but it just doesn't come up in conversation.

I have discussed trans issues with a couple of my colleagues, including a younger woman in her early 30s who mentioned that an old schoolmate of hers has transitioned and is now a man. I said that her old schoolmate still remains a woman biologically speaking, regardless of how they identify. She didn't contradict me and it changed nothing about our working relationship or our friendship.

The pronoun thing is a bit of a damp squib because despite being such a heavily gendered language, often the gender you are using has no relevance to the person you are discussing anyway, e.g. possessive pronouns are gendered according to the thing being possessed not the person doing the possessing, and even the most educated people make "fautes d'accord" from time to time anyway. "Iel" is in reality pretty much indistinguishable from "il".

And of course the healthcare system is following on from the NHS and the Scandinavian countries in clamping down on puberty blockers.

So yes, there is trans activism here but I think it is far more niche.

Yes! Haven’t they learned their lesson from Frankie’s Relax?

Allez, les femmes francaises!

As far as 'links to the far right' goes, I'm pretty sure that I could find a book from pretty much every mainstream publisher by an author who is deeply conservative and has conflicting values to me.
We should be judging the book by the book, not the publisher.
It's also worth noting that 'far right' simply means 'someone I disagree with' to trans activists.
It lost a lot of meaning when I started seeing staunch left wing feminists being called far right without any basis in reality.
I'm tired of seeing people dismissed due to a label they are given by their opposition. That's part of the reason we're in this mess and why this book was supposedly taken down without anyone actually reading it.
It's long past time we started debating ideas and books on what is actually being said, rather than some kind of hazy guilt by association.

The panellist sitting between the two men is Barbara Lefèbvre, a professor (history, I think) and writer about colonisation, autistic children in school, racism, laicité, among other things.

The woman sitting beside Dora Moutot is the co-author of Transmania, Marguerite Stern.

It sounds to me that the mother in the second call was not so much distressed as rather angry because she felt her and her daughter's intelligence had been questioned (maybe because of the mention of a cult?). Her daughter has identified a boy from the age of 12 and is now 14. The daughter is using a boy's name, but apparently she and her mother have agreed that there will be no medication or surgery before she turns 18. Seems to me rather intelligent on the mother's part.

Thank you, OP, for posting about this. I hadn't heard about the book, but will try to get a copy.

Terven Entente Cordiale?

Probably got mad when she mentioned #AGP.

Thanks @BettyFilous

I found it. It was (figure 2) 11.51% of women and 3.49% of men who reported experiencing sexual abuse under the age of 16, stats for England & Wales not the whole of the UK. https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/bulletins/childabuseinenglandandwales/march2020

I don’t know about France but 1 in 10 adults report experiencing CSA in UK crime surveys on this topic. If I get a chance I’ll dig out the Office for National Statistics report on it. Someone else may already have the link handy.

TERF Pays Continental ?

There was a really good French documentary on Netflix a few years back called 'Petite Fille' about a young boy identifying as a girl ( which largely seemed to revolve around dressing up in 'girly' costumes), very much supported by his mother - who freely admitted that when she was pregnant with him she had been really longing for a girl and was disappointed when the baby was born that he wasn't.

The documentary focused on the fact that there was an issue with the child's primary school - because the teachers were not at all supportive of using pronouns, or socially transitioning him at all - and the mother was fighting this, trying to get them to co-operate. My impression was that they considered it an abusive practice.

You were given the definite impression that the director wanted you to feel that the school was just being 'retro' and bigoted - but what I actually thought was how refreshing and utterly sensibe of the school to refuse to comply in such a way.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Girl_(film)

How does a feminist stop her book being read by the wrong people? How is someone reading your book somehow 'teaming up ' with them?

I didn’t understand the point that the male panellist who said he didn’t agree with the second half of the book was making.
@LoobiJee

He found it less compelling and less data-driven. He thinks they are drawing broad conclusions from anecdote and says it's not because there's one example of men behaving inappropriately at one Pride event that you can tar all pride events with the same brush and talk about a whole ideology. He thinks there are more important fish to fry and gives the example of 1 child in 10 being a victim of incest.*

They reply by pointing out the ubiqitous drag queen stuff and try to point out the patterns they've noticed, but then the conversation gets very 'back and forth' and doesn't really follow a logical path.

The eye rolly woman reminded me of so many French women I have met! I liked her being so forthright and visibly annoyed.

*Does anyone know anything about this?

Hey, if a previously far-right publisher is now venturing into publishing leftie feminist books, that's good right? Maybe they'll do more leftie feminist stuff if it sells well, as it seems it is. The nature of the publisher is defined by the nature of the material, not vice versa. And fewer far-right publishers is a good thing, no?

It's a gift to the right (far or otherwise) for the left to give up reason, freedom of speech and safeguarding giving left and centrist women little place to go.

HumanBurrito · Today 09:36

The far right is currently polling at around 30-32% for the forthcoming elections and has a real chance of getting into power in a couple of years.

Sheesh! Are you also against Julie Bindel writing in the Daily Mail? The only paper that will publish her concerns and analysis. The Guardian and Independent have sidelined her and binned Hadley Freeman and Suzanne Moore. Should the just STFU and remain pure and leftie?

This publisher was the only one to agree to publish their book.

What on earth has Tommy Robinson got to do with a French book, published in France by a French publisher?

They've been saying that for decades! Hasn't happened yet.

No-one is saying women's rights should be abandoned ffs. I am saying teaming up with Tommy Robinson to broadcast your message might not be the ideal way to get people on board.

Women's rights must be abandoned in case we somehow are to blame for the rise of the far right. Got it.

So, HumanBurrito, a book about the destruction of women's rights should not be published because...? If no left-wing or centrist publishers would touch it Moutot and Stern's MS, what does that tell you? The threat to women's rights comes from the left as much as from the right. If you don't understand that, you don't understand anything about this battle.

Maybe centrist and leftist parties should look into why it is that they are not attractive to the people intending to vote for far right parties and try to connect with them in a meaningful way. I'm willing to bet that many of those people are not fascists or dyed-in-the-wool racists.