Oh dear

It's not even a belief that they're men. It's a simple fact. Humans can't change sex however delusional or fetishistic they are, and nobody is "born in the wrong body".

Definitely show him the Warren Smith video - which didn’t seem staged to me, but as @niadainud says it’s irrelevant whether it is or it isn’t, the points stand true.

I'm not that sure it matters if it is.

Yes, elder dc are 25, 30 and 33 and gc, younger two are 20 and 15.

I asked my 16 year old grandson what he and his friends thought about it - he said 'oh we just all take the piss out of it at school' out of the mouths of babe I thought

Exactly this. Well done OP

@Deadringer do you mind if i ask whether the twaw and the gc children are divided by age?

Teenagers are inclined to think they know everything and have figured it all out way better than their stupid parents. I remember the feeling well. Add in the potential for the Internet to groom them with perfect little arguments to prove everything they think they know, producing a kind of kindred euphoria that their generation have FINALLY been the ones to UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING and there is just no winning. If they haven't got it now you are probably going to need to wait it out and hope for an epiphany when they are 30+

That's brilliant.

I love this. The #NotAllSnakes challenge - what a perfect way of demonstrating the problem with men in women’s spaces. Can we nominate Humza and Harvie first up?

Just identify as a transman. If they want to eat, they get into the kitchen. If they expect food to be in the kitchen then they do the shopping. If they expect clean clothes then they do the laundry.

Or just tell them to give their heads a wobble and fucking grow up and show their mother/wife the respect that you have earned.

Sorry OP, that sounds depressing. And it's annoying how many husbands are fucking cowards on this issue - they just don't want the hassle so keep their head down, how nice for them.

Like you said I think it's disappointing to realise how little they give a shit about women and girls.

I’m shocked it’s taken you this long.

I bullied my family for months until they came over to the right side.

Oh, I like #notallsnakes

Tell them you are cooking their favourite meal, then cook something they don’t like as much. Explain that you now call the meal on the table by the name of their favourite meal. You have redefined it and you don’t care what they call things, because you’re the one cooking and they’re just a bunch of food bigots. With shopping preferences, buy Aldi brown sauce instead of Heinz tomato ketchup, etc and insist that they are identical. Warn them that they may not want you doing laundry currently as you no longer have any sensible method by which to separate whites and colours. If you get any complaints, gently remind them that they are literally trying to redefine what you are, and have no room to talk whatsoever.

Well done OP.

Do you know why I think it feels big? I think maybe your family is seeing you step out of peacekeeper-safe-space Mum, and into Mum as an actual human being with feelings and conflicting opinions which come from on experience & deserve to be listened to. That's not how the game goes! Who changed the rules?!

You can agree to disagree, but I'd draw the line at temper tantrums & personal slurs. Like fuck should you be made to feel bad in your own home for saying what you know to be true. That emperor is definitely naked.

TWAW is a man's rights movement, it's just the other side of the MRA coin & if men want to go to bat on this, they need to at least admit that's what they're arguing for.

All the best.

I've lost the attribution in my notes (Joe Wells?) but do you remember this helpful guidance?

TV Idea: #NotAllSnakes Men who say "Not All Men" are introduced to a variety of snakes. Not all of them are venomous.

I'm fairly confident that a number of us would take a subscription to a channel to see #BeKind men take the* *#NotAllSnakes challenge.

@GnomeDePlume well done. I've recently had a similar discussion in my house, with young adult DS. It led to a big row, some slamming of doors, and later on a slightly uneasy truce. We haven't discussed it again. I know DH agrees with me but prefers to keep his head down.

Re saying keeping transwomen out of changing rooms is the same as implying that they’re all perverts. Link this to how we ask all staff who work with children to get DBS checks. When I am asked to provide a DBS check for work, i don’t take offence and ask if the hiring manager thinks I abuse children.

I like the sound of this, but I don’t think I have the creativity to do it. Can you think of an example?

Exactly. This argument completely pisses me off. It shows that the people arguing for it don't use logical thought processes. (Of course, their lack of logic makes it easy to knock down their arguments, but why do we have to waste time countering morons?)

Solidarity with you, OP.

Lately I’ve been wondering what someone who believes TWAW would say if I asked them if I could be a trans woman, and if not, why not.

My son emailed me a link to some nutjob calling KJK a Nazi,I replied with 'Are you thinking about moving out'?

He's hasn't mentioned it again.