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Spectator article on author feeling horny after watching a lecture by a female academic at Cambridge University and then hiring a prostitute

114 replies

PlumDog · 18/04/2024 13:03

See below (it's vile):
https://twitter.com/itaintwhywhywhy/status/1780888612780835302

"Lloyd Evans started writing for the The Spectator in 1998 and later became its poetry editor and theatre critic. In 2005 he co-authored a play, ‘Who’s The Daddy?’ based on sexual shenanigans at the Spectator."

https://twitter.com/itaintwhywhywhy/status/1780888612780835302

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Kittywittywoo · 21/04/2024 11:11

Why did he have to name her . It's like he's punishing her for something.

therealcookiemonster · 19/04/2024 20:52

Screamingabdabz · 19/04/2024 19:43

I’ve never understood what is holy about hiding females under a veil and letting men freely crack on with their sexual rapaciousness. Hide men away if they can’t exercise self control and a higher mind.

I think if you actually read my post you will see that is not the point I am making. perhaps getting off your high horse will help you read better

Screamingabdabz · 19/04/2024 19:43

therealcookiemonster · 18/04/2024 19:15

this is one of the reasons why I wear hijab

ps I realise that men will still perv and also its their responsibility. but while men like this exist in society I choose to protect myself from their sordid gaze even though I think it's wrong that I have to. also would still wear it even if all men were angels because of the spiritual elements of wearing hijab .

I’ve never understood what is holy about hiding females under a veil and letting men freely crack on with their sexual rapaciousness. Hide men away if they can’t exercise self control and a higher mind.

KitKatChunki · 19/04/2024 19:31

I hope the women he mentions can bring some legal action here. I'd say the lecturer is being touted as titillation for men purely because of her gender and posited as such in a national magazine. The woman he slept with has had her private life splashed without consent for him to make money. This horrid excuse for a man and his self-righteousness has been shown up now, hopefully the only job that would touch him with a barge pole is now is a slot on GB News.

crowgift · 19/04/2024 18:47

Would be good if the local police force (Cambridgeshire?) would investigate if there is a trafficked woman who needs help.

ErrolTheDragon · 19/04/2024 15:24

Sad loser... doesn't he realise people - men and women - criticising him are most likely not lurking actionless in basements, rather they'll be in proper relationships within which they can enjoy free fully consensual sex.

PullUpTheDrawbridge · 19/04/2024 15:20

God it's disgusting. Urgh. I was just saying to my DH how awful my working life was before I worked from home. I once seriously contemplated throwing myself down the stairs to avoid going on a work trip my sleazy MD, I was literally petrified. Why the fuck do we have to put up with this shit?????

DeanElderberry · 19/04/2024 14:53

Those comments in the Daily Mail are interesting. Men realising just what women experience from some men. Maybe Creepoid Lloyd has done us a favour by perving quite so publicly.

The poor lecturer though - working hard to put together a thoughtful presentation only to find one of the audience reacted like that.

HelloWorld68 · 19/04/2024 14:32

The more I read about him the more I'm beginning to hate him. I don't even know him but he's despicable!

Only two kinds of people on this planet according to him - men and people who aren't men.

Tells you all you need to know about the guy!

Cauliflowery · 19/04/2024 14:23

1plus1equalswindow · 19/04/2024 12:48

I'm not sure it is socialised (entirely). I really think it's down to biology. Men's sex drive needs to be tamed/redirected/distracted somehow. Or they end up as pervs/incels.

I just don't think it's that mysterious.

There are loads of things humans enjoy whilst putting out of their mind the harm caused (milk, fur, fast fashion, porn, cocaine, driving...).

It depends how rigorously you face up to your actions and how conscious you are of your personal values when you act.

Men who are misogynist towards women show with their actions that women are lesser humans to them. That is a value they hold. Some of these men probably wouldn't think like that if society and culture didn't support their view. Just like far fewer people would buy fast fashion if the sweatshops were right in front of them.

MrsTerryPratchett · 19/04/2024 14:22

Waitingfordoggo · 19/04/2024 12:51

you have to take your clothes off, in a brand new building

No Lloyd. You really really don’t have to do anything of the sort. Unless of course you’re a trafficked woman whose life depends on it.

Quite. There's only one class of person who has to take their clothes off there. And it's not pervert men. They could go home and have a hot cocoa and a wank.

candycane222 · 19/04/2024 14:09

Great post @Cauliflowery

bombastix · 19/04/2024 13:56

He's certainly gone on about his sex life but with the consent of others. That he did not do here; so maybe this is the difference

AnnaMagnani · 19/04/2024 13:54

The Mail article is interesting as it points out he has published articles like this in the Spectator before and nobody appeared to mind, so he has been shocked by the backlash.

Maybe times are changing!

Humanunkind · 19/04/2024 13:46

I've no doubt he'll be having a lovely time with himself at all the disgust.

SinnerBoy · 19/04/2024 13:28

Lloyd Evans has whined that people have labelled him a pervert. The Mail has a story on it and the comments are far from sympathetic.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13326719/Lea-Ypi-academic-Spectator-critic-appearance-sex-column.html

CorruptedCauldron · 19/04/2024 13:23

Dirty grim dickwad.

bombastix · 19/04/2024 12:59

Come on, having a sex drive is one thing. Being this publicly grubby is quite another.

anothernamitynamenamechange · 19/04/2024 12:56

1plus1equalswindow · 19/04/2024 12:48

I'm not sure it is socialised (entirely). I really think it's down to biology. Men's sex drive needs to be tamed/redirected/distracted somehow. Or they end up as pervs/incels.

But, if one was to say that out of context it would be tarring all men with the same brush. Not all men. But also (when it suits) you can't expect men not to act like men.

I would take the passive tense out - "Men need to tame/redirect/distract their sex drive somehow". If they can't do that the solution is to manage those men - not give them a woman's body to use and a newspaper column to write about themselves in.

Waitingfordoggo · 19/04/2024 12:51

you have to take your clothes off, in a brand new building

No Lloyd. You really really don’t have to do anything of the sort. Unless of course you’re a trafficked woman whose life depends on it.

NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision · 19/04/2024 12:50

He's given so much detail about that woman that anyone in her life could recognise her! I'm desperately hoping that this is all made-up, as part of his own humiliation fetish, as well as part of an attempt to humiliate the academic.

It would explain why he made sure to include a reference to running out of money after that ATM took his card.

bombastix · 19/04/2024 12:48

It's a bit like Clarkson when he realised that he had got too personal about Megan Markle. Backpedaling.

Evans should have recognised how personal it was. Very stupid. I do think someone in the Spectator wants rid of him, it's too stupid.

1plus1equalswindow · 19/04/2024 12:48

Cauliflowery · 18/04/2024 17:20

I definitely think it's socialised. The message that women are subservient to men exists, both covertly and overtly, across all layers of society and culture.

But yeah, the thought of shagging someone who wasn't enjoying it is stomach turning, and rapey.

I'm not sure it is socialised (entirely). I really think it's down to biology. Men's sex drive needs to be tamed/redirected/distracted somehow. Or they end up as pervs/incels.

KitKatChunki · 19/04/2024 12:47

Another selfish man, pretending his "humiliation" isn't pure selfishness in disguise. Fabulous, just what the world needs.

dimllaishebiaith · 19/04/2024 12:45

'On his critics, he said those “tend to be people who aren’t men and who haven’t actually been in that situation. I mean literally it’s rather exposing you have to take your clothes off, in a brand new building, and you’re fully naked and I find that quite humiliating and difficult”.
“I’m not pleading for sympathy but it’s not quite as you imagine it is when you read these accounts of what goes on in these places written by feminists who haven’t actually encountered the experience themselves.” '

Aka womens opinions dont count because only people who are men count (he couldn't even call his critics women, they had to be not men)

Given his comments about humiliation I would assume that he has some kind of humiliation fetish and has dragged all the readers of his article into it

It doesnt seem to have occured to hom that he can skip the difficult and humiliating experience by just not doing it, unlike the potentially sex trafficked woman who might have had no option to avoid the difficult and humiliating experience for her

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