Humza Yousaf baffling tweet (TW: about s*xual assault)

He did say it in his tweet. Furthermore all hate crime law says it too.
Hate crimes are based on the perception and intent of the perpetrator, not the actual identity of the victim.

You seem to be saying that only TW who 'pass' (the very few...) can be said to be on the receiving end of misogynistic attacks and those who don't pass (the vast, vast majority) can't be - have I got that correct? If so, HY doesn't say that - he's very clear that TWAW (apart from the odd rapist who's at it, when pushed on the issue).

I agree he was quite clear in what he said.

I disagree with the illogical deduction that he was suggesting the two scenarios are equally likely.

It is far more logical to deduce that the use of “unlikely” is setting a baseline of him talking about everyone who passes for a woman and is thereby a potential victim of misogynist rape threats.

After all, if a transwoman isn’t passing as a woman, then misogyny is not applicable at all. So he cannot be including anyone who doesn’t pass for/isnt perceived as a woman.

Perceptive discrimination isn't necessarily a stupid idea. I'm not Jewish, but sometimes people think I am, and if an antisemite assumes I'm Jewish then I'm not going to bother to correct them.

It's definitely not a stupid idea and is well established in law already.

@KestrelMoon Your deduction is irrelevant here - HY was quite clear in what he said. If he meant something else then he should have been more explicit.

Perceptive discrimination isn't necessarily a stupid idea. I'm not Jewish, but sometimes people think I am, and if an antisemite assumes I'm Jewish then I'm not going to bother to correct them.

It's at least theoretically possible that I could be subject to antisemitic discrimination or harassment despite not having the protected characteristic - because the perpetrator thought I did.

What is stupid is Humza creating Schrodinger's TW, where he's just brought in a hate crime law to protect them on the basis of their trans status, but also wants them included in the proposed misogyny law, and justifies that by saying that nobody can possibly tell their trans status.

No, I used logic to deduce it.

Hw didn’t make that distinction at all.

I’m interested to know why a threat to rape would need to be specifically included in a misogyny law. Would that make it more serious if threatened against a woman/girl than a man/boy?

Only if they are passing would it be unlikely.
If they aren’t passing, then it wouldn’t be unlikely would it?

Have you not read the tweet? He said it was unlikely that a man would know the difference. He didn’t mention passing.

How has he suggested they are equally likely? In fact, by listing born a woman first, he is suggesting that is more likely than the second scenario; threatening rape to someone passing that was born a transwoman(male).

He could say ‘this is in line with perceptive discrimination laws’ without suggesting that somebody who identifies as a woman is as likely to be threatened with rape as somebody who is a woman.

In fairness, I suppose if a TW is presenting as a woman on twitter then he may receive misogynistic messages online from men who don't realise.

Less likely to happen in person though.

I am interested in whether he would use the ‘nobody knows, you can’t possibly tell’ line in this instance.

I understand his tweet perfectly.

He isn’t talking about actual a rape, but the threat to do so.

It’s criminal to threaten to rape a person, regardless of their sex.
If they actually penetrated an orifice with their penis, then it would still be rape, regardless of sex.

Male on female or male penetration with a penis is still rape.

If the man threatening rape thinks he is threatening a woman, then that is driven by misogyny because he is acting on the basis of his perception.

@CantDealwithChristmas that is an interesting point about mosques. Are they allowing men who call themselves women to pray with the women?
And if not is this subject to prosecution in Scotland?

It is good that he has apparently acknowledged that people suffer discrimination and abuse because of other people’s perceptions, and that this has absolutely nothing to do with feelings of identity.

So a man threatening to rape someone can’t tell whether that person is a woman or a transwoman, yet Humza himself can not only tell that Isla is a transwoman, but also that ‘she’ is ‘at it’

Clearly he is gifted with some observational power he thinks others can only dream of

He knew what sexual assault was when he was complaining about Westminster Governments treatment of female refugees.

We are seriously considering moving back to England, @Myalternate - not just because of the SNP government's line on Trans rights and misogyny, but also because of so many other issues, including the tax regime here, and the SNP's utter ineptitude - under their government education and healthcare standards have plummeted, and the Hate crime law is just the latest in a line of ill-thought-out policies - the bottle and can return scheme, the Named Person legislation, to name but two more.

And who can forget the ferry fiasco? It took 3.5 years, from laying down the hull to completion to build the QE2. It has taken the shipyard and the Scottish government 9 years from the cutting of the first steel, and neither ferry is finished and in service yet.

He’s not called Hamza Useless for nothing

Humza is pretending to be a responsible politician capable of coherent policy.

Turns out he's shit at roll-play.

He may be a fool but his guide dog is lovely.