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Holding out against self-id: Can we do it?

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DameMaud · 18/04/2024 09:24

It is a rollercoaster of hopes and disappointments in the effort to stem the tide of gender ideology impacts in the UK, and on balance I feel mostly hopeful of our ability to hold out here.

But every time I hear about the growing number of other countries bringing in self-id, such as Spain, and now more recently, Germany and Sweden; I wonder how long we can hold out as such an outlier.

It feels like a game of Risk, where all the pieces are left only on the UK and are ominously surrounded.

How does it work long term if every other country brings in self-id and we don't?

How do we imagine this might play out?

How does it work where more and more people have legal opposite sex status in their own country, and that is not recognised here?

I'm trying to get my head around what this would actually look like.

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dolorsit · 18/04/2024 10:18

I don't think the uk recognises all GRCs from elsewhere. I have a vague memory of that being an issue with the Scottish proposal as it would have impacted on the uk rules.

Not 100% certain though.

Esgaroth · 18/04/2024 09:50

In the UK, I think self ID is dead in the water. Thanks to the tireless efforts of UK feminists and other campaigners, who kicked up just enough fuss just in time, they were unable to sneak it through without the public noticing. I don't think they will try it again. The mood is different in the UK for some reason. One of the main problems here is that many institutions have been operating on Stonewall law, so we have many of the downsides of self ID without the actual law behind it, but I'd say that things are moving in a positive direction at least.

Unfortunately the UK still has the concept of 'legal sex' as distinct from actual sex, so there will be no conflict with self ID nations I shouldn't think. I expect the UK recognises foreign equivalents of a GRC without quibbling about how they were acquired.

But self ID isn't the root of the issue. Self ID vs what the UK already has in the GRA is a question of degrees. The root problem is the whole concept of 'legal sex' and what that means in practical terms. So while the amendments to the GRA had to be robustly contested, all the problems caused by the original legislation still exist.

I don't hold out much hope of the GRA being repealed any time soon.