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ArabellaScott · 17/04/2024 18:21

The fact the BBC have not reported on the Commons debate, or generally on Cass bar a couple of very weak, short pieces is absolutely outrageous.

The silence is stretching.

They have two members of staff whose sole remit is to report 'LGBT' issues. Where are they? This seems absolutely deliberate omission.

Scarlet Blake.
WPATH.
Cass.

We used to get propaganda, now we get silence.

What do we do, here?

BBC complaints seem to go nowhere, and the hoops to get to an Ipsos report seem virtually impossible.

How do we hold our public broadcaster to account?

https://twitter.com/whtwldbabsdo/status/1780323215618814416

https://twitter.com/whtwldbabsdo/status/1780323215618814416

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BonfireLady · 21/10/2024 11:17

timenowplease · 21/10/2024 09:07

Imagine if they had actively minimised and covered up other health scandals in the same way!

You are naïve to assume they haven't.

Which health scandal(s?) are you thinking of?

timenowplease · 21/10/2024 09:07

borntobequiet · 17/04/2024 18:46

Hannah Barnes pointed out on the Media Show this evening that the coverage of these issues has been done by predominantly female journalists, that all of the health and science journalists have been absent, that it was only Newsnight that took it on and that there wasn’t support from the wider BBC. Later I think she said that the health correspondents only appeared when the Cass report was published. The Corporation has been captured for years, pushing trans at every opportunity. Imagine if they had actively minimised and covered up other health scandals in the same way!
Personally I think that a directive has gone out at a very high level that the issue must be downplayed as much as possible, spun and trivialised out of view. I would love to know what’s actually going on at the BBC.

Imagine if they had actively minimised and covered up other health scandals in the same way!

You are naïve to assume they haven't.

BonfireLady · 21/10/2024 08:47

borntobequiet · 21/10/2024 07:25

and if she found the time to attend sessions, she would have a say in the work of Parliament's second chamber, considering draft laws and potentially participating in select committees.

So petty, so unselfaware (the journalist).

I find the majority of that sentence petty but I'm not so sure about the lack of self-awareness. I guess it could be.

It's either a) I really can't stand that woman but I'll do my best to write a balanced piece or b) let's see if I can get away with sticking this bit in at the end.

I watched a great documentary called Hypernormalisation a few years ago and it really opened my eyes up to the way "impartial" reporting uses language (and image) choices to help shape or reinforce opinion. An example it covers is using the word "regime" to describe a government/leader in a country that is often the "baddy" in prevailing public opinion. It explores how the notion of nations as goodies and baddies in the news bedded in much more under Reagan - obviously it was already there with the Cuban missile crisis and cold war, but it's an interesting idea that he might have brought a little Hollywood with him in to the news reports that pitted him against Gaddafi as individuals.

When it comes to news on issues where there is a greater division of opinion (I'm not sure many Brits were backing Gaddafi), choice of language perhaps stands out more.

By contrast to the JKR report, here's a fawning article about Eddie Izzard:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67745594.amp

Setting aside the she/her pronouns, there is no concern whatsoever about the same points: a) that Eddie might find it difficult to attend parliament amongst other commitments (despite a quote in the article about Eddie having to campaign remotely, ahead of the election) or b) Eddie having a "say in the work of Parliament's [first] chamber, considering draft laws and potentially participating in select committees".

Presumably the BBC thinks that Eddie's "vision of the future" and being "openly spoken about her gender fluidity" are the right kind of values for the British public, so there would be no issue with Eddie having a say in parliament. Not the worrying kind of values that that Rowling woman might bring along 🤦‍♀️

Eddie Izzard

Eddie Izzard fails bid to become Labour candidate for Brighton Pavilion seat - BBC News

The stand-up comedian fails to win Labour's backing to contest Caroline Lucas' seat.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67745594.amp

borntobequiet · 21/10/2024 07:25

and if she found the time to attend sessions, she would have a say in the work of Parliament's second chamber, considering draft laws and potentially participating in select committees.

So petty, so unselfaware (the journalist).

BonfireLady · 21/10/2024 07:23

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BonfireLady · 21/10/2024 07:21

Ha! Comedy timing.... After writing the above, I opened the news headlines on my phone. This was the first one:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cg4q6prkgz0o.amp

It almost feels like balanced journalism... until you get to that dig at the end (my bold). Also adding a screenshot in case they decide to rein it in a bit in an update:

and if she found the time to attend sessions, she would have a say in the work of Parliament's second chamber, considering draft laws and potentially participating in select committees.

Of course she would have a say. Like every other member of the House of Lords does. That's how democracy works. I'm no expert on impartiality but I'm guessing that giving away your own personal derision (and fear?) in such an obvious way shouldn't really qualify.

JK Rowling smiling into the camera

JK Rowling turned down House of Lords peerage twice - BBC News

The revelation comes after Kemi Badenoch said she would give Rowling a peerage for her stance on gender.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cg4q6prkgz0o.amp

borntobequiet · 21/10/2024 07:17

Thank you for the Linehan article.

BonfireLady · 21/10/2024 07:03

Despite the lack of interest from the police, I'm sure the story could be kept in the news.... Perhaps Crystal the drag queen has been on holiday to Guernsey in the past and could be interviewed on Newsnight to talk about how distressing and invalidating it is that a postbox she [sic] once used to send a birthday card to her [sic] late [elderly relative, sadly now passed away] has been destroyed in this way.

Too far fetched? Not really. Here's Crystal being wedged into a story about Israeli and Palestinian tensions in what appears to be a similarly contrived way by the Newsnight team:

https://x.com/BBCNewsnight/status/1788692478540779634?t=X6VSu0doCmLXmPdg-qwasg&s=19

And sticking with Newsnight, here's a complete lack of journalistic curiosity from Sarah Smith when interviewing Graham Linehan regarding the use of unevidenced medical interventions like puberty blockers (perhaps if Graham had appeared in drag she'd have focused more on the story itself rather than on sticking the boot in to him?):

It's entirely possible that she finds Graham Linehan too crass when he tweets/speaks in short form - I avoided reading any of his stuff for ages for this reason when I first started looking in to all of this. I'm happy to accept that I had completely misjudged him. But it's the BBC news team's job and purpose to be curious, to investigate, to push through and find and then tell the real story. It's clear that Graham didn't want to be the story: the moment you listen to him in long form, or if you read his book, it's abundantly obvious that he's been trying to raise awareness about what Miriam Cates rightly describes as one of the biggest safeguarding and medical scandals of our generation (and would far rather been known for his comedy career). I'm so glad I pushed through and listened to what he has actually been saying, along with JL and the contributors on his substack.

In contrast to JL (the main substack writer), the BBC is failing the British public with its lazy journalism and the impact of the directive from the top down that "it's [more] important to be nice" than to investigate the story.

My own experience with the BBC has been mixed. I've already given up complaining as it just feels like a wasted effort. I tried a different approach at one point, because I really do (did?) value their place as our national broadcaster. I had some positive dialogue, by phone and email - the news team were briefly interested in what's been happening to thousands of children from an autism angle (and were certainly considerate regarding my family's situation) but ultimately it felt like there really is no desire to investigate this at all.

Instead, I'm sure we'll just see more of the same: an occasional great piece of journalism that's somewhere isolated, which is lost in a sea of emotionally charged "news" about lack of access to "gender affirming care" and literal-genocide type stories about the fight for acceptance and validation... told through vandalised post boxes etc. And of course plenty more pushing of gender identity belief as fact in its programming schedule - for children as well as adults.

x.com

https://x.com/BBCNewsnight/status/1788692478540779634?s=19&t=X6VSu0doCmLXmPdg-qwasg

Britinme · 21/10/2024 03:38

PBS over here is equally sold on the trans cult. There was an item on the news today about suicidal ideation among youth whose states have said "gender-affirming health care" mustn't be given to minors. It turned out to be based on a "study" using a survey which people self-selected themselves into, but this was never questioned by the interviewer. I was shouting at the telly but luckily DH is used to that.

duc748 · 20/10/2024 23:06

The BBC has approached Guernsey Police for comment.

And presumably even Guernsey Police thought, nah mate, can't be arsed. 😄

ArabellaScott · 20/10/2024 23:01

Come on, now.

They've not done the hate crime at the LGBA conference, because this devastating news item obviously was far more pressing:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn8yd4l7k53o

The photograph shows a Guernsey postbox that had been painted in the colours of the rainbow. There is now blue spray paint up the left side of it and red spray paint up the right side of it and on the front.

Guernsey LGBTQ+ charity slams 'idiot' vandalised rainbow postbox

Charity leaders say it is "sad that things like this happen" after the incident.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn8yd4l7k53o

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duc748 · 20/10/2024 22:30

The idea that our national broadcaster is so in thrall to a powerful pressure group that they are keeping quiet about some important stories, whilst filling out their webpage with inconsequential non-stories designed to show that group somehow in a better light: that would be an appalling state of affairs about which there'd be debates in Parliament, surely?

Catiette · 20/10/2024 22:10

I hadn't seen anything either - thanks. When you compare this to some of the things they do deem newsworthy on the LGBTQIA+ etc. front, it's difficult to see this omission as anything other than strategic. I'm so sickened by them.

SinnerBoy · 20/10/2024 08:50

Pasting without comment:

In the same year, the BBC’s drama commissioning team spent a delightful day with trans activists at the London Aquarium. Why the London Aquarium? Who knows. But I suspect they lingered at the Clown Fish.

BonfireLady · 20/10/2024 08:47

Catiette · 20/10/2024 08:25

Did the BBC (and Guardian) ever report on the LGBA cricket fiasco?

A Google search suggests not.

I was reading on another page in the GL substack (15th October update) that the timing of the crickets release was just as Jamie Reed was about to speak about the risks to children of "gender affirming care".

In a previous update (7th October), it talks about Jamie Reed's spouse now choosing to detransition, after 15 years.

This really is the kind of event and backstory that the BBC should be deeming newsworthy and knitting together:

Six young females, all with trans or non-binary identities, attacked an LGB conference in protest about the lack of access to "gender affirming care" where the next speaker is a lesbian woman who wants to speak about the harm that such care brings, coming from a place of both professional and personal experience.

The optics on attacking an LGB conference look terrible. It just screams homophobia.

Sadly though, it's just crickets from the BBC (metaphorically) instead.

Edited to correct typo

kiterunning · 20/10/2024 08:31

Brilliant article - thank you @BonfireLady

Catiette · 20/10/2024 08:25

Did the BBC (and Guardian) ever report on the LGBA cricket fiasco?

BonfireLady · 20/10/2024 07:45

Link to substack below. I think these links are allowed but can't quite remember.

grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/how-the-bbc-was-captured

BonfireLady · 20/10/2024 07:43

Rather than starting a new thread for this, it feels like this one is the right place for a fantastic article (it's actually the wording of his speech at Genspect) from Graham Linehan.

I'm not sure if we're allowed to put Substack links in here so I'll go for two posts, with the link in the second one.

If you Google his name and "BBC captured" it should come up.

From the article:

I would suggest at the very least, The Director General of the BBC should be summoned before the Parliamentary Select Committee for Culture Media and Sport, and made to answer for the channel’s behaviour over the last decade

I fully agree.

duc748 · 06/05/2024 12:40

That link on the BBC complaints 'system' shows it up for the joke it is. I didn't read the 29 page (!) complaint, but good for SEEN for pursuing it.

DameMaud · 06/05/2024 12:05

BonfireLady · 06/05/2024 11:29

A few interesting links to add to this thread:

Here's the tweet from Journalism SEEN with all of them in:
https://twitter.com/JournalismSEEN/status/1787414281320882581?t=pXUolL73W5WXQtemcvZyVA&s=19

Trying to raise stories in the newsrooms (not BBC specific):
https://seeninjournalism.substack.com/p/the-hurdles-we-face?r=3lemhw&utm_medium=ios&triedRedirect=true

On the BBC complaints system:
https://seeninjournalism.substack.com/p/the-lowdown-on-a-bbc-climbdown?r=3lemhw&utm_medium=ios&triedRedirect=true

On being an undercover whistleblower at the BBC:
<a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/2024.05.05-072211/www.spectator.co.uk/article/why-are-bbc-staff-trying-to-get-me-fired/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://archive.ph/2024.05.05-072211/www.spectator.co.uk/article/why-are-bbc-staff-trying-to-get-me-fired/

Hopefully we will continue to see more BBC stories coming out which flag the harmful impact of gender identity belief but, without a doubt, the BBC still has a very long way to go. They also have a huge back catalogue of programmes to address, particularly those aimed at children.

E.g.
https://twitter.com/berk_hamstead/status/1773094127640412386?t=bADmy8jBFbdScRfp_iHTBw&s=19

A future Public Inquiry will hopefully include the BBC but in the meantime, they may want to start their own internally and consider taking action on a) more content that is still available b) editorial guidelines (news and programming) and c) supporting staff who want to break the story.

To finish on a plus note - I can't remember if I added it up above - this is a great piece, starting at the beginning of the show:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m001y28p

Commenting to easily re-access this excellent post. Thanks @BonfireLady

ArabellaScott · 06/05/2024 11:37

Thanks, Bonfire. That all looks very interesting.

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BonfireLady · 06/05/2024 11:31

Trying the Spectator link again (not the archived version) as the one above didn't work:

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/why-are-bbc-staff-trying-to-get-me-fired/

BonfireLady · 06/05/2024 11:29

A few interesting links to add to this thread:

Here's the tweet from Journalism SEEN with all of them in:
https://twitter.com/JournalismSEEN/status/1787414281320882581?t=pXUolL73W5WXQtemcvZyVA&s=19

Trying to raise stories in the newsrooms (not BBC specific):
https://seeninjournalism.substack.com/p/the-hurdles-we-face?r=3lemhw&utm_medium=ios&triedRedirect=true

On the BBC complaints system:
https://seeninjournalism.substack.com/p/the-lowdown-on-a-bbc-climbdown?r=3lemhw&utm_medium=ios&triedRedirect=true

On being an undercover whistleblower at the BBC:
<a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/2024.05.05-072211/www.spectator.co.uk/article/why-are-bbc-staff-trying-to-get-me-fired/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://archive.ph/2024.05.05-072211/www.spectator.co.uk/article/why-are-bbc-staff-trying-to-get-me-fired/

Hopefully we will continue to see more BBC stories coming out which flag the harmful impact of gender identity belief but, without a doubt, the BBC still has a very long way to go. They also have a huge back catalogue of programmes to address, particularly those aimed at children.

E.g.
https://twitter.com/berk_hamstead/status/1773094127640412386?t=bADmy8jBFbdScRfp_iHTBw&s=19

A future Public Inquiry will hopefully include the BBC but in the meantime, they may want to start their own internally and consider taking action on a) more content that is still available b) editorial guidelines (news and programming) and c) supporting staff who want to break the story.

To finish on a plus note - I can't remember if I added it up above - this is a great piece, starting at the beginning of the show:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m001y28p

BonfireLady · 25/04/2024 16:25

BusyMummy001 · 25/04/2024 14:01

@BonfireLady been having a nose around TwiX (study avoidance) and see that he has no presence there. No account and very few mentions. I think this somehow insulates him from the discussions being had about this issue and provides yet another veil between him and public opinion?

Ah, procrastination. I know it well 😁

Yes, he said in his conversation in parliament (the one where he said it was important to be "nice") that he didn't have Twitter/X. I'm not sure if having it would make any difference or not. I have regularly looped Deborah Turness, Head of News, in to X comments after I saw other people doing this too but it's not clear that doing this helps in any way.
Hopefully there will be lots of different ways that the information can make it's way to him. @AutumnCrow's suggestion sounds like a good one to help highlight how it's all getting stuck in the complaints system, for example.