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Miriam Cates/National Conservatives conference

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AdamRyan · 16/04/2024 16:29

Miriam Cates was due to speak at the NatCon conference in Brussels tomorrow, on the topic of "Save The Children!"
The conference has been shut down because the Mayor will not tolerate the far right.

Here is a tweet to GB news discussing why the conference was shut down:

https://twitter.com/implausibleblog/status/1780239986861744280?s=19&t=hHgjMANzaGdj92-GTys1ig

I'm putting this here because I know a lot of GC feminists support Cates - I don't, and this stuff is why. She is awful.

https://twitter.com/implausibleblog/status/1780239986861744280?s=19&t=hHgjMANzaGdj92-GTys1ig

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AdamRyan · 19/04/2024 23:17

RebelliousCow · 19/04/2024 10:24

Well, we're not "most people'". We see ourselves as leading the way in bringing this issue to public consciousnes and to parliamentary debate ( and with some success).

I'm not sure why you are so bothered by us doing this 'irrelevent' thing here on this forum - that you need to post in such an adversarial and, frankly, naive way.

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Here you go Alison

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AlisonDonut · 19/04/2024 22:19

I'm not losing my shit. I'm just sick of your lies and general bollocks.

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AdamRyan · 19/04/2024 22:18

AlisonDonut · 19/04/2024 22:16

You bang on about the 'we' situation. Created in part due to 'us' being hived off at your request. Don't request we all sit in another room and then whine about us having common in jokes that you don't get.

I get that logic isn't your forte, but don't sit there and say you don't slag off posters when you slagged off one ex poster thread after thread so much so the latest one had to be deleted.

The "we" is in response to another post. Hang on til I quote it.
I don't mind a bit of beef but losing your shit with me about something I didn't start is a bit much

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AlisonDonut · 19/04/2024 22:16

You bang on about the 'we' situation. Created in part due to 'us' being hived off at your request. Don't request we all sit in another room and then whine about us having common in jokes that you don't get.

I get that logic isn't your forte, but don't sit there and say you don't slag off posters when you slagged off one ex poster thread after thread so much so the latest one had to be deleted.

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AdamRyan · 19/04/2024 22:15

I'm more prolific now because I'm fed up of complete misrepresentations of various politicians being posted everywhere and when I asked MNHQ they said challenge it on the threads. So I do.

This board did not used to be political. Now it is. It is a noticeable difference. And not only is it political, its a politics with "wrongthink" and "no debate" running through it. Tactics I absolutely abhor.

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AdamRyan · 19/04/2024 22:08

Alison I made that thread in 2017 and have posted on here consistently since then. That was 7 years agoConfused. So I have no idea what you are talking about.

It's hardly down to me that another poster decided to make a big thing about the "we".

I also haven't slagged of any posters Confused

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AlisonDonut · 19/04/2024 22:01

You wanted 'them' hived off to another board and then when nobody played with you you decided to go and just slag off any woman who you think 'them' on that board that you specifically wanted might support in any miniscule way and then derail anything you don't like with random bollocks.

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AdamRyan · 19/04/2024 20:48

MyNameIsFine · 19/04/2024 16:14

You mean she insisted on having a separate board and then comes on here all the time "warning" about this imminent far-right, American-style takeover in a country where the conservatives are predicted to lose the next election by a landslide? So she didn't want the GC derailing the feminism board, but she's happy to come on here, derail, and then pretend it's about free speech? And she calls other people tedious?

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This is a bit of an odd posting style. I don't know why you've quoted me and referred to me as "she" throughout.

I didn't "insist on having a separate board" I made a polite request and IIRC it was turned down and didn't happen for quite a while.

And i haven't called anyone tedious. I was finding a circular argument with a particular poster tedious. I'm allowed. If you think I'm attacking anyone use the report button.

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AdamRyan · 19/04/2024 20:45

AlisonDonut · 19/04/2024 18:36

It isn't shouting. It's how they used to do urgent messages. It was called a 'telegram'. Only very old people who've been around for years would know about it...I did it on purpose because the accusation was that we've been around years.

Honestly, the youngsters of today. You know nothing unless it comes up on your feeds.

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I feel like you haven't been following the thread and the posts about "we".

But it wasn't even my spat so I'll stay out of it 😂

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Datun · 19/04/2024 18:44

AlisonDonut · 19/04/2024 18:36

It isn't shouting. It's how they used to do urgent messages. It was called a 'telegram'. Only very old people who've been around for years would know about it...I did it on purpose because the accusation was that we've been around years.

Honestly, the youngsters of today. You know nothing unless it comes up on your feeds.

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At least you didn't quote someone, 'antagonistically' (stop)

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AlisonDonut · 19/04/2024 18:36

AdamRyan · 19/04/2024 18:02

Oh dear Alison. No need to shout.

I think the point was rebellious made it very clear there is an in group and an out group on the board. And it's not just a "virtual" hang out.

That does somewhat change how people might view the dynamic.

It isn't shouting. It's how they used to do urgent messages. It was called a 'telegram'. Only very old people who've been around for years would know about it...I did it on purpose because the accusation was that we've been around years.

Honestly, the youngsters of today. You know nothing unless it comes up on your feeds.

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AdamRyan · 19/04/2024 18:22

Imnobody4 · 19/04/2024 18:17

You can't help yourself can you? (although no doubt easily written off as Lefties)

populationmatters.org/gilead-watch-protect-womens-rights-from-pronatal-politicians/

Are you really not aware of the backlash against women's rights across the world. Population Matters is quite well known. Equally of concern is the pro surrogacy, prostitution and pornography movement.

Personally I am more worried than at any other time in my life about the position of women and girls. This is a woman's issue not left right.

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Eh? Yes I am well aware of the backlash and the erosion of women's reproductive rights, as well as the rise of pro-natalist politics, hence the thread.

The bit I wasn't aware of was that a charity had a project looking at this globally and had produced a report on it. And that the report featured some familiar names (CPAC, Nat Con, Orban etc) as well as a good analysis of why pro natalist policies are a threat to womens rights.

I can leave it on here but it seems like a strong enough issue to justify its own thread. But I can always put it in feminist chat if people on Sex and Gender won't like it for some reason

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Imnobody4 · 19/04/2024 18:17

AdamRyan · 19/04/2024 16:16

Just come across Gilead Watch. There are some pretty interesting themes I there (although no doubt easily written off as Lefties)

https://populationmatters.org/gilead-watch-protect-womens-rights-from-pronatal-politicians/

You can't help yourself can you? (although no doubt easily written off as Lefties)

populationmatters.org/gilead-watch-protect-womens-rights-from-pronatal-politicians/

Are you really not aware of the backlash against women's rights across the world. Population Matters is quite well known. Equally of concern is the pro surrogacy, prostitution and pornography movement.

Personally I am more worried than at any other time in my life about the position of women and girls. This is a woman's issue not left right.

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AdamRyan · 19/04/2024 18:03

JessS1990 · 19/04/2024 16:54

Recently a conference in Belgium was described as Far Right by many newspapers across Europe. A number of Tory MPs attended.
When my MP attended the same group's conference in 2020 he was reprimanded by his party leader for attending a Far Right conference.

If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks...

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Exactly my point.

I'm pondering whether Gilead Watch is worth a thread on its own. Will do a quick AS to see if anyone has linked it before

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AdamRyan · 19/04/2024 18:02

Oh dear Alison. No need to shout.

I think the point was rebellious made it very clear there is an in group and an out group on the board. And it's not just a "virtual" hang out.

That does somewhat change how people might view the dynamic.

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AlisonDonut · 19/04/2024 17:52

HOLD THE FRONT PAGE STOP
PEOPLE ON AN INTERNET FORUM INTERACT WITH EACH OTHER AND MAKE REFERENCES TO THINGS STOP
PEOPLE ON AN INTERNET FORUM REMEMBER THINGS FROM WEEKS MONTHS AND EVEN YEARS AGO END MESSAGE

Justnot · 19/04/2024 17:40

I’ve not been on the board that long - couple of years - it’s easy to see there is a community who have been posting for years - they all ‘know’ each other on here ( they have
in jokes, an obsession with tunnocks, fine taste in memes, have built up an archive of receipts and research)

it really doesn’t take much time or attention to work this out - you see the same names, and think that they will be worth reading, you see other names and think nope………...and if you post (goady) nonsense you get your arse handed to you.

RebelliousCow · 19/04/2024 17:01

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JessS1990 · 19/04/2024 16:56

justasking111 · 19/04/2024 15:29

US... WE.... so you're a concerted group on Mumsnet who know each other personally in real life. I didn't realise

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I now feel rude for having occassionally having intruded on their online group hugs.

RebelliousCow · 19/04/2024 16:56

justasking111 · 19/04/2024 15:29

US... WE.... so you're a concerted group on Mumsnet who know each other personally in real life. I didn't realise

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Not all of us, of course...but many have been posting ,and name changing, for years - and yes a good few have met or come across each other at one event, conference, group or another, I'm sure.

JessS1990 · 19/04/2024 16:54

illinivich · 19/04/2024 14:34

This is where your guilt by association rationale breaks down, doesn't it?

If cates supports trans ideology because she is in the Conservative party, then how can she also be far right, she'd just be centre right? Unless you believe the Conservative party is far right?

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Recently a conference in Belgium was described as Far Right by many newspapers across Europe. A number of Tory MPs attended.
When my MP attended the same group's conference in 2020 he was reprimanded by his party leader for attending a Far Right conference.

If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks...

AlisonDonut · 19/04/2024 16:46

justasking111 · 19/04/2024 15:56

Do read what rebellious cow said, she's far more active than you, who dipped a toe in the water

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Yes she said 'many of us'. Not 'all of us'. It's all there if you care to read it.

How would you know who is far more active whatever that is, from one post? What do you even mean 'active'? Is activity just the amount of times people have met up together? Are you jealous some of us have some friends who like to speak to us in real life?

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MyNameIsFine · 19/04/2024 16:14

AdamRyan · 19/04/2024 13:23

No thats not why I wanted a separate board.
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/site_stuff/2864237-Please-could-we-have-a-trans-issues-sub-board-in-feminism?page=1

Here's my thread. Username being- a character in one of my favourite books

I wanted a separate board so people could still discuss other feminism without it getting lost and dropping off the board due to the volume of trans threads.

And I'm not here to "post antagonistically". Or at least, if I am then so are posters posting the threads about things like the Jean Hatchet article.

It is very odd on one hand posters want to post about free speech/censorship/read a wide range of sources. And on the other they want posters to shut up and go away if they don't share the majority view.

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You mean she insisted on having a separate board and then comes on here all the time "warning" about this imminent far-right, American-style takeover in a country where the conservatives are predicted to lose the next election by a landslide? So she didn't want the GC derailing the feminism board, but she's happy to come on here, derail, and then pretend it's about free speech? And she calls other people tedious?

justasking111 · 19/04/2024 15:56

AlisonDonut · 19/04/2024 15:49

I've met one mumsnetter, once at a feminist talk and twice for a coffee, with a resistance group

I don't even live in the UK any more.

Some people will know each other but the vast majority won't. We are not a concerted group!

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Do read what rebellious cow said, she's far more active than you, who dipped a toe in the water

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