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Fall out of CASS report

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Sparklybutold · 16/04/2024 08:15

In light of the CASS report, there is still a long way to go. At least that's how it feels. I was bullied, harassed, discriminated against. I told my university there was a serious problem. I was ignored, shamed, and gaslit. By so called professionals. My qualification has been impacted. My physical health took a dive and there were times I thought I was losing my mind. I want to so desperately name and shame openly. I want to directly let the one person who instigated this know the damage they caused. Anyone else feel the same?

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greyandbluewool · 16/04/2024 08:52

I'd just like to add this to the discussion, even though we know this already.
The way this has permeated everyday life, particularly in English speaking countries is somewhat akin to a virus, and it's so very noticeable to me due to living abroad.
Nobody talks about it here. It's not a thing in schools, I work in many, and certainly not ever mentioned in the workplace or among friends.

The way I see it is this. The English speaking world has been, at least up till now, though it's definitely changing, a driving force in youth culture and change. I suppose that when you are the leaders in a certain area you will go through a period of adjustment, where things often go too far in one direction, before ultimately settling down at a more moderate position.
The smaller places that are more traditional and are more likely to hold on to past ideas, slowly settle into new ways, but don't go through that intense period of change in the same way as those who lead certain ideas.

I hope that in the UK we can manage to dial things back considerably, and return to the sfere of reason rather than living in an alternate make believe reality. I do think that we should however question why this has taken such a hold here, and so quickly, and whether these ideas are a symptom of a much bigger underlying problem within our society, in the same way we would question why a certain biological disease spreads so rapidly in one particular area.

nauticant · 16/04/2024 08:49

I agree with IncompleteSenten. People should think carefully about what to do next, some of the activist-minded will feel backed into a corner and I don't think this unwanted turn of events for them will make them more moderate in their behaviour.

IncompleteSenten · 16/04/2024 08:39

It's far from over. Don't fool yourself. There is going to be a very strong push back from people who don't want to face the fact that a lot of harm has been done and it's being talked about and people are no longer accepting being silenced.

Celebrities and other high profile figures who did the whole TWAW no discussion or dissenting opinions allowed are going to try to quietly uturn and gaslight.

Celebrities who who burned bridges are going to need expensive pr input.

politicians are going to say they were lied to/misinformed / have reconsidered due to information they were not given at first and they'll find someone to blame.

men who have cynically abused the situation for their personal gratification are going to be furious. They are the biggest ongoing threat to women. Their motivation is the most disturbing and sinister and their misogyny and they believe women should do whatever we are told to do and prioritise men's feelings at all times and give them whatever they want regardless how it affects others.

parents who subjected their children to irreversible procedures or medications with life altering consequences are going to be hit hard and may need some support. Some may fight hard because they don't want to accept they may have caused their children lifelong harm regardless their intentions. They may be very angry with medical professional who they feel convinced them that they needed to do this to their child and seek to place 100% of the responsibility on to them.

bandwagon jumpers will just happily jump to the next bandwagon and carry on marching and screaming and no platforming and threatening and insulting in the name of equality and caring.

teens will move on to the next cool fad and being trans/NB will become 'lame'. Those who were doing the whole 'trendy' nb shit will quietly just stop doing it because it will no longer get good attention.

Children who were wrongly transitioned surgically or medically may well grow up and seek out legal help and sue the NHS, or government etc

When this fucking insanity is talked about in the future, the narrative will be that women were to blame and men stepped in and saved the day.

People with actual gender dysphoria will heave a collective sigh of relief and thank god they can just get the fuck on with their lives.

DrJump · 16/04/2024 08:25

Yes. I was bullied out of a job. It's slightly more nuanced then that of course but god I want to be able to say how do you sleep at night? That you went along with this as a kindness..

RethinkingLife · 16/04/2024 08:24

OP, the personal toll has been huge. So many of us have had difficulties with friends and family or lost them over this topic.

So many walk on eggshells in their workplace.

I wrote the following on the parliamentary debate on Cass thread. (You'll find other posters there talking about the impact on their mental health of all this on the most recent page.)

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5050831-debate-happening-in-house-of-commons-victoria-atkins-on-fire?

Cass is limited to one area with a narrow frame of reference and terms of reference.

For the rest…

Glinner has frequently said he thought, "This (prisons, women losing jobs etc.) will be the issue that wakes everyone up," and yet, every time, he was disappointed.

There have been so many times since the mid 2010s when posters have declared, "The tide/tanker is turning," only it hasn't.

This has been long in the planning. It will take a long time to recapture what women and children have lost, never mind convert our rights into things that are inalienable rather than a social nicety that can be withdrawn from us at someone's whim. (Where "someone" includes those that approach the status of vexatious litigants because they have been able to use the police as concierge service that enacts their airing of grudges and grievances.)

This is an election year. Trust no-one.

What matters is what happens in health and social care, in education, in the criminal and offender management systems, in the Civil Service, in NGOs and the third sector. What will the staff do there? What happens with media reporting? What will happen to domestic abuse refuges? What is the legacy of the arts centres and theatres that decided women can't have single-sex facilities?

What will happen to employers' workplace policies? To all those advisory groups for PCCs and boards that declare, in public, that GC beliefs are 'terrorism'?

This is a relative skirmish in what will be a decades long engagement.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 16/04/2024 08:21

Flowers OP.
It's been like living in a dystopia as transactivism has been allowed to run unchecked through our institutions, schools etc trashing the social contract and harming so many children, women and men.
Hope that you know you're not alone .