I have just noticed a fuck up in my previous post and I'm to late to edit

LIVES NOT LOVERS!!! FFS!😶

They might do.

But the insurance and cost of health care will increasingly become a political issue in its own right to be used by opposition. Perhaps nefarious opposition with a desire to remove rights.

Reality doesn't stop because of the downplaying. And they will be fighting an increasingly big set of building issues resulting from lack of diligence.

It's not gullible at this point. It's doubling down rather than accept this whole thing is fucked up.

Never underestimate the lengths people will go to to avoid admitting perhaps they were wrong.

Many people have too much invested in this to back down easily.

In twenty years when the lawsuits start flooding in from adults who were transitioned as children who are suffering horribly as a result we'll see condemnation but enough time will have passed so those we should be pointing the finger at can say hey, it wasn't my fault

I'm very cynical and think it will get a lot worse, for women in particular, before it gets better. I see violence coming, sadly. I think the manly rage will be directed at random women too, like that pathetic Australian incel over the weekend. Women must be punished, and as the gang breaks up and back up from all their corporate and govt funded buddies withdraws, the fury will be unleashed on women. It will be all our fault for not doing what we were told.
I don't think we've even scraped the surface of these men's hatred for women.

Education, health and social care, the judiciary will all display the social psychology phenomenon of doubling down.

They may well succeed.

Insurers aren't remotely interested in ideology. They are coldly only interested in risk profiles.

This alone has implications.

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That must have been awful. There will come a time when you can name and shame openly and after the last few days that time is hopefully now considerably closer thanks to Cass AND yesterday's debate in parliament.

I've been lucky I haven't been impacted in this from a work/education perspective but I can imagine how bloody mind blowing it must have been to go through it.

I'd like to see an event in the not to distant future where women just stand and read out the names of individuals and the organisation that backed them up in hounding women and fucking over their lovers and the lives of children because they fell for/took advantage of the gender woo shit. I imagine it would be a very long event though!

It's given credibility to 'Terfs'.

This is very important. It means that politicians can't decide and ignore anymore.

It also has liability implications. This is in law and financial terms.

So it's significant.

But it's only a step forward.

Oh ffs - a UCU women's committee has just passed a motion to condemn the Cass Report. How can they be so wickedly gullible? https://x.com/johnarmstrong5/status/1779462509797257559

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It's far from over. Don't fool yourself. There is going to be a very strong push back from people who don't want to face the fact that a lot of harm has been done and it's being talked about and people are no longer accepting being silenced.

I agree, especially in light of several MPs recycling misinformation about the Cass report. On the other hand, I feel that the boil has now burst and all sorts of people, from all walks of life now have the confidence to criticise Genderist Ideology and actions, publicly.

That has to be good, even though there is more slogging on the way. As someone else said, it's the final nail in the coffin of No Debate! It can and will be discussed, by intelligent, rational people and pulled apart by them, in the public arena.

This is an election year. Trust no-one.

THIS! ⬆

None of them can be trusted.

How many years have the Tories had, when they could have taken the initiative on this and actually done something to define "woman" in law, protect women's spaces and sports, ensure that sexually perverted men couldn't easily jump onto a bandwagon that was intended to protect genuinely dysphoric individuals, and use that to continue to abuse and oppress women and children? TOO MANY - and they've done NOTHING until now (and even now, they are doing the absolute minimum).

Realising that people you previously trusted to be on the right side of history have got one thing very wrong undermines your confidence in them and makes you call everything else into question too.

Completely.

To find that people in positions of power and responsibility would willingly sterilise children in the service of a blatant and obvious lie has collapsed my worldview.

In some ways it's very good. I've become much more of a critical thinker. In other ways it's very hard - to lose all that trust.

Yes.

This issue has made me re-examine a lot of my political views.

I've never been tribal about voting for a particular party, but up until now I've usually been solidly centre left. Pro union, pro remain, pro marriage equality, pro human rights... I've never voted Labour but only really because I've never lived anywhere Labour could win.

And now, on trans issues, I find myself diametrically opposed to the same people I have historically agreed with about everything else.

Which makes me think, one of us is wrong and I don't think it's me. Maybe it is me, but I really don't think it is, because it would be so much easier for me to just agree with them like I usually do about other things. But if they can be so wrong about this, what else might they be wrong about? What else might I have been wrong about?

It makes you question everything.

The flip side of that is this. The Cass review will make a lot of people wake up to the fact that the trans activist lobby has got child safeguarding very wrong. And if they can be so wrong about child safeguarding, they can be wrong about women's rights too.

Realising that people you previously trusted to be on the right side of history have got one thing very wrong undermines your confidence in them and makes you call everything else into question too.

I'll repeat what I've said before about a parallel with the Post Office scandal. That went on for about two decades until the subpostmasters won their massive victories in the High Court (leading to a settlement), and by the time the legal war was done it was shown that Horizon was filled with flaws and that the Post Office had carried out a massive cover up destroying lives in order maintain their false narrative about Horizon.

We're five years on from that and things are still unresolved although have swung hugely in the subpostmasters' favour.

As others have mentioned, the tainted blood scandal has gone on much longer and still remains unresolved.

In non English speaking countries it has also taken a massive hold

Spain & Portugal both have self ID as does Germany and some parts of Italy

I don’t think it’s so much English speaking as “the west” which I know is a lazy term but I’m using it to mean europe, USA, Australia, NZ & Canada

An interesting perspective from outside the madhouse.

I agree that we should question why this has taken such a hold here, and so quickly, and whether these ideas are a symptom of a much bigger underlying problem within our society.

Plain old misogyny certainly plays a huge part. But surely it can’t be that alone.

LRM and others will probably be in power before the year is out.

We would be wise to consider our options for what may be a full out drive to remove those with GC beliefs from every workplace, organisation, and public sphere.

See: https://reduxx.info/exclusive-uk-physiotherapist-leaders-announce-goal-to-eradicate-critics-of-gender-ideology-from-the-profession/

Statutory enquiry gets my vote and I watched the debate yesterday. It came up a few times. We live in hope.

I am trying to be more positive and yes, the effects could be further reaching but we haven't really seen the backlash yet.

And one of the biggest issues is that the universities have SO MUCH invested in this ideology. It's bringing in so much money.

Those who are researching the area and finding it lacking are still being vilified and criticised.

@highame yes we are.

There's still much to be concerned about in what the report actually says.

This is just the beginning. Only a statutory inquiry into the safeguarding issues that places like stonewall, mermaids et al created will truly bring to change the tide.

The arrogance of many, especially in academia, is appalling.

Schools are not yet safe and therefore children are not yet safe.

I see your point, but I think once the scales fall it means one looks at other aspects of genderism in a very different light, on the whole.

The whole ideology rests on the idea of a holy, sacred 'gender identity'. Cass reveals that this is a fiction, a fallacy, a myth.

If children can be wrong about their 'gender identity', which is made very clear I think, then there is no such thing as 'born in the wrong body' and this completely undermines 'gender identity'. Once that goes, what do we have?

You then have to relook at the world as we always had done up until ten years or so ago - as a world populated by men and women, boys and girls, and some of those people are struggling with the expectations and ideas about their bodies.

The thing with genderism is you either swallow whole the idea of 'gender identity' being a solid truth, or the whole edifice collapses.

In response to the scandal breaking, and if one had been supportive of sterilising vulnerable children, one imagines extreme shame, embarrassment, perhaps contrition.

But it's important to consider that many people were invested in TWAW precisely because of their personality traits - many disingenuous, narcissistic, willing to compromise morals in exchange for power - and some perhaps credulous, gullible, sentimental, zealous. Those traits won't change for most people.

A chap who enjoys wearing a balaclava and shouting at women while wearing a T shirt that says 'kill the terf' is not going to have a sudden change of heart;, he'll find another reason to threaten women, because it excites him.

The majority of people haven't got involved and will continue to not get involved, although I suppose many will notice that children being sterilised in service of 'gender' is not okay, and I guess we will see a fair bit of anger.

It'll be interesting to see the social change, most of all. I suspect a groundswell of public rage is going to come before the politicians and media people involved are able to safely get over that golden bridge.

My own view is that Cass is the golden bridge. There will be a period of time when people can say they've reflected and reverse ferret to preserve a modicum of plausible deniability, but anyone doubling down on genderism from this point forward is going to find themselves implicated in a horrific and horrifying and continuously unfolding scandal.

 to you @Sparklybutold and the many others who have suffered. But yes, this is not the end of the war, it is a significant battle but it is far from the end of the war. There are many powerful, entrenched voices that do not have a good track record of listening to reason, particularly when spoken by women. Things are better, there is more sunlight, but we have a long haul ahead.

Are we in danger of hanging too much onto the Cass Report. It is a truly fantastic report but it is about children and their safety. It may well be bringing more sunlight but we still have to fight the adult issues such as women's spaces, sport, business.

I am breathing a sigh of relief but after all these years I know we have a long way to go. The capture of our institutions is mind boggling and although organisations such as Mermaids and Stonewall have taken major reputational damage over the past few years and especially in the light of Cass, they are still captured.

At least we can be grateful that safeguarding will be centre stage for a good few decades, or until the next adult fad comes along!

I don't blame you OP, I think this is a very natural reaction that many are feeling right now.

Several people I follow are expressing similar feelings of anger, sadness, frustration alongside vindication.

I saw Rachel Rooney posted a a message on Twitter asking for the feelings to be taken away.

I'm actually wondering if some might benefit from some counselling (though I appreciate that could be tricky) as the experience those who've been treated in this way have had is basically abusive. Gaslighting, silencing and dismissing very valid concerns.

People who've been abused like this certainly go through phases of anger when vindication comes; I've experienced it myself.

I don't know if it would help or not, but pushing for a statutory inquiry could provide more leverage to be able to outright communicate the damage these people have done to individuals.

And it's not over by any means. The educational system has not been investigated yet. The rot that starts in university education depts flows to schools and no one seems to be doing anything about it.