Fall out of CASS report

I am not optimistic that the Cass report is the 'gotcha' many people hope it is. It has been challenged on many fronts and the Cass report talks about trans people for whom cross sex hormones are the right answer.

Neither am I @ChateauMargaux. Talking to one of my daughters today, DD1. She hasn't heard of the Cass Report, but was glad that it questions the use of puberty blockers. I did try to discuss/relay facts but I've tried before and it's in one ear and out the other. It's especially hard to discuss for us as one of my other daughters is trans and DD1 fully supports the transition, calls her her brother, etc.
It seems like the Cass Report while acknowledged by some is ignored by others, many are actively trying to discredit it, and with many many others the fact is that they see the report is only talking about children and young people, and mainly puberty blockers in particular.

We have still a long way to go. The Cass Report is another strand coming loose but Gender Ideology has a long way to go before it becomes unravelled.

https://thecritic.co.uk/an-athena-swansong/
This is more relevant to Irish Universities but as it is optional for UK Universities it may apply to the UK too. Either way it's worth reading to see how Universities can find themselves captured.

I am not optimistic that the Cass report is the 'gotcha' many people hope it is. It has been challenged on many fronts and the Cass report talks about trans people for whom cross sex hormones are the right answer.

Medicine has many examples where large numbers of people are treated, all experiencing some side effects, to result in improved outcomes for a small number of people.

I think we will continue to see compelled speech, erosion of the word woman, erosion of women only spaces, expectations of women and girls that are driven by harmful expectations and stereotypes.

The equality and safety of women is no longer a priority in many areas, we no longer see women only initiatives in work, in regards to safety, in sport, in education... this is not coming back any time soon... we are going backwards in terms of ensuring that women have an equal share of voice and influence in places that matter. AI is not reflecting minorty needs, our world is being designed by men and will not be fit for women.

I confess I was actually surprised at the tone of debate in parliament. The Overton window has moved on what is deemed acceptable to say. I feel like this is the biggest shift I’ve seen.

That said, the continuing levels of capture in the UN, WHO and all kinds of other international bodies and charities makes what feels like a significant victory on the ground, look more like a small skirmish.

I can’t tell where this is going to end, but at least it’s looking like some things in the UK can now be approached, in ways they couldn’t before. So I hope that you get some help and justice, OP. What strikes me from your posts is the sheer scale of harassment one individual can inflict when backed by poor systems and biased rules. It’s a frightening exposure of power being wielded and how things can go badly wrong.

What goes into kcsie and the gender questioning guidance for schools could have a lot of wider impact as all the set ups that have been making money via schools in this area will be forced to adjust and change. Universities too.

As kcsie is statutory everyone has to follow it.

I agree strongly with this. Medical scandals take far, far longer to get resolved and the right people brought to account than political scandals.

For example thalidomide was licensed in the late 50s, withdrawn in 1961, compensation not granted until 1968 and no blame was taken, the compensation was small. It then took a further 15 or so years for the Thalidomide Children's Trust to be set up and start campaigning and not until the late 1990s when Diageo, which owned the company that had produced thalidomide, paid a more reasonable compensation and acknowledged the role of the corporation concerned. Probably wasn't until the late 80s/early 90s that the depth and breadth of the scandal really permeated the public consciousness.

the UK Govt's review and £20m compensation didn't happen until 2009.

My point being that these things take a long while to play out (look at Post Office or MMR vaccine-autism lies) and I think this will be the same.

Eg how Shereen Benjamin, and eyfs lead lecturer was basically demoted in favour of the LGBT inclusive ones.

Sideways

I feel it is, perhaps not as much as other areas, but academics are publishing "queer" shit all over the shop.

I've been looking at educational institutions in particular. Those that train teachers.

I've also seen a few teachers re entering academia, jumping on the Edi inclusion bandwagon, with lgbtq as the primary driver.

Maybe it's because I'm looking for it?

In the last few years send inclusion stuff goes hand in hand with lgbtq

Reputational damage and academia to make you smile -

anyone remember Hugh Trevor Roper and the Hitler Diaries? Hugh smelt the diaries and on that basis, said they were real. Turned out, they were fake.

They don't seem to have learned the lessons do they?

This is much more serious, but being in a University doesn't prevent you from being completely bonkers, if you add in aggression and a strong communist ideology, there's your cancel culture writ large.

I read the Cass Review report as a political document, with Cass knowing she was operating within narrow constraints. It would have been so easy for her to have said something frank which could have led to her being denounced and the report discredited.

I think the report is written to deliver some fundamental messages:
(1) there is no evidence base;
(2) we need a comprehensive overhaul of child and adolescent services; and
(3) but (2) requires the development of an sound evidence base.

I think she knows that much of what is recommended in the report won't be acted on, but the need for a sound evidence base will be undeniable and it's essential for that to survive the cull.

I'm right there with you sparkly
I remember your posts from early on in the midst of what you were going through, and could relate, though from a less extreme experience than yours.
You're feelings about it all now, at this stage, are totally warranted.

Agree with Beetle's comment.

In light of the CASS report, there is still a long way to go. At least that's how it feels. I was bullied, harassed, discriminated against. I told my university there was a serious problem. I was ignored, shamed, and gaslit. By so called professionals. My qualification has been impacted. My physical health took a dive and there were times I thought I was losing my mind. I want to so desperately name and shame openly. I want to directly let the one person who instigated this know the damage they caused. Anyone else feel the same?

I'm in the same boat but where I am they are pressing on regardless and it has become a battle over methodology.

I agree with Incompletesenten - there will be pushback.

We need to let people see that the ideology is a construct built to protect and build liberties for sexually abusive and deviant men's kinks and perversions. That link exists, not with most trans people, but with the men at the back, pushing this forward. The net was cast wide and the catch is simpky there to disguise the true motivation and intent. Who can see the Kracken through the huge shoal of sardines?

Jimmy Savill hid in plain sight. So did Gary Glitter and many others. This is just the same kind of man trying a different route and look how fucking far they've got.

Of course, there is going to have to be an eagle eyed over-sight of the new GIDS clinics that have already been set up in Liverpool and in London, and any in future, such as the proposed Bristol clinic.

Yes, we've a long way to go. There will be some still putting the whole issue down to biased' right wing' politics and 'Tory culture wars', and assuming that when/if Labour gets elected they will be able to continue on as normal.

The next stage, should Labour be elected, will be to see how Starmer and Wes Streeting actively respond to the conclusions and findings in the Cass Review. Though, of course Starmer is still saying he wants to "modernise" the GRA making it easier, effectively, for people to Self ID - which in itself will simply create a continuity of culture in which confused and distressed young people will grow

The next thing that needs to be done is to very publicly de-construct the concept of the 'trans child'. Only when this is de-constructed will the public start to be able to see that that the whole 'trans identity' business is a construct.

I’m really sorry anyone is facing this at work or in rl

I’ve managed to keep it quite low key but have had a few heated discussions with close family

Most of it was just posters attacking on here but that’s small fry and easily moved on from

Is it bringing in lots of money? Maybe I've just not encountered it but there doesn't seem to be much research in this area. The campus activities I've seen are largely just the LGBTQ+ networks and the likes, which are voluntary networks run by staff, or UCU/student unions which are separate entities.

This is true.
We are seeing globally what appear to be massive attacks on women as a class.

The USA banning / heavily restricting abortion and now those same pressure groups starting to talk about banning birth control is terrifying, for example. It's just whispers right now but that's how the abortion bans started and how many of us were adamant that would never happen?

We are under attack and it is frustrating the number of women who can't see it.

It's given credibility to 'Terfs'.

I've just been made aware of a Labour mp still dismissing women by saying that constituents contacted her saying theyve been vindicated by Cass. She's being critical here. Im furious

It's not about "we were right" it's about we were silenced. And we are still being silenced and batted away.