Debate happening in House of Commons: Victoria Atkins on fire

Christ.

*With a couple of reasonable points from Stella Creasey about how scared 'gender confused' children are.

That's actually something that the government needs to address, too. This is a group of young people who've been fed scare stories about suicide and 'transphobia' that have certainly not helped.*

The worst affected young people we know are slightly older and have already started testosterone. Two have definitely had mastectomies; not sure about the others. I think they're all going to need some solid help in coming to terms with what they've agreed to.

Or they could go all Stephen Whittle about it and carry on assuring the world that drastic surgery, lifelong medication and early baldness is a fab way to live.

Oh good, another pedant got there first. Phew.

I thought that was a good point, well worth emphasizing.

Dedicated thread about The Media Show's coverage just now:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5052159-radio-4-right-now-405pm-weds-after-news-cass-review-did-journalists-get-it-wrong

How about the PM and the Shadow PM? What have they said?

I think nothing, am I incorrect??

This is fascinating and appalling, showing how poor the BBC's coverage of the Cass review has been, even in comparison with the Guardian: https://twitter.com/whtwldbabsdo/status/1780323215618814416

Yes. And there’s no way of controlling it. This is the root cause of a lot of issues.

In an ideal world smart phones would not be allowed for U16s. But Pandora is out of the box. No one really understood the consequences. Although I note many of the tech gurus don’t allow their children to use the very technology their parents invented.

I’ve never watched it but googled and see it’s the BBC

They are so bad at always going for “culture wars”

Interesting. Someone making the point it's being treated in newsrooms as a 'culture wars' story, rather than a medical/healthcare story.

These kids really need to be stopped from going on reddit and other forums. I know MN is said to be an echo chamber but JC. The families of these kids may not even know that they're fighting against constant affirmation and are constantly being undermined by the 'glitter family' (other struggling kids, be-kinders and miscellaneous weirdos) in their child's pocket.

The Cass story is on The Media Show now! With Hannah Barnes.

It's about the media's handling of the story.

Well. That was a rout.

Compassionate, intelligent, considered, referenced, and insightful points from women who've been clearly researching and thinking deeply on the issue for a long period of time, and who have really been through the mill, versus some whining from Russell Moyle and some utterly vacuous platitudes from Zarah Sultana.

With a couple of reasonable points from Stella Creasey about how scared 'gender confused' children are.

That's actually something that the government needs to address, too. This is a group of young people who've been fed scare stories about suicide and 'transphobia' that have certainly not helped.

If the grown ups can reassert reality and we can brush aside some of the homilies and thought-terminating cliches, then it might be possible to find solid ground again, and actually offer meaningful help and support to those children who have been sold a vast, rainbow-coloured pup in the guise of 'transition' as a magic pill to solve their problems.

murasaki · Today 15:39

A fellow poster who felt they had to leave that place after more than a decade. I was sad at first but no longer.

I felt pretty down at the time, but I stopped using it after about a week and haven't been back. Who were you there - if that's OK to ask!

I assure you, you can weaselly tell them apart also...<sigh>... not rodents.

<curls up and dies>

Zarah Sultana makes a stirring and profound contribution:

'Will the Minister join me in condemning the rise in transphobia, in acknowledging that trans rights are human rights, and in recognising that we will only deliver high-quality healthcare that everyone deserves when we respect the rights and dignity of all?'

I never anticipated feminism would require skills in Advanced Rodent Identification. It's astonishing how often it comes up.

It's not, it's totally different.

@ArabellaScott that's a stoat....

I hate myself <cringe>

Many are supportive of it, that's what scunners me.

Intelligent, liberal, thoughtful people, who've read all the books and seen the movies.

Yet:

'It's good to have that chilling effect on freedom of speech because it keeps everyone on the Right Side of History'.

What with reversing ferrets and weasels going up and down it's like rodent whackamole in here.

Words, in the mouths of the untrustworthy, are weasels
(Weasel Rapid Reaction Force gears up...)

Apologies to all weasels - I know you are mighty hunters and wonderful mothers etc, but your intelligence and agility have led to you being considered untrustworthy, historically speaking.
(Weasel Rapid Reaction Force simpers a bit and stands down...)

A fellow poster who felt they had to leave that place after more than a decade. I was sad at first but no longer.