Debate happening in House of Commons: Victoria Atkins on fire

So a Lib Dem was there; Christine Jardine had this to say:

At its heart, the Cass report sadly highlights the low standard of care for our young people who were caught up in a toxic debate. There were long waiting lists, and the debate seeped into the staffing of the medical profession. Does the Secretary of State agree that we have to look at the wellbeing of our children holistically? How will she overcome the recruitment and staffing problems that have been created by this toxic debate?

I would love to be a fly on the wall at LDHQ as they work out how to spin this so they come out clean.

Fantastic thread - thank you.

There's been so many times over the last couple of years where we've thought 'that's it, this must be the point where sense returns' and it hasn't happened but this actually seems like a turning point now, at least in England and Wales.

We will never know. However we are supposed to be rolling out the golden bridge. So although we wont forget which people were stupid and what they said, we are now supposed to let them think their batshittery has been forgotten.

And if LRM does indeed go for the prime minister job one day, we should do our level best to get his previous words out there, with receipts.

Thanks so much for the commentary. Apologies if this link's already been posted but I couldn't locate a video recording of the actual debate in the Telegraph link at the top, and I wanted to watch it in full since I missed it live. This is the link I found on ParliamentLiveTV. The debate starts at 17.23.
https://www.parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/d24d1ca0-217e-4b72-a44c-0d5c453a4a60

We'll see what the next few months hold. TRAs are firmly enmeshed into the various branches of the NHS and other health and social care organisations.

And what happens after the general election is anyone's guess.

I am mildly optimistic.

Sceptical about Wes Streeting. We should not let him brush under the carpet that he worked at Stonewall...in education.

I've Googled but not found a comment on Cass from the leader of the opposition...

Listened to the whole thing.
A bit disappointed there wasn't much about the reasons children might identify as trans - they skirted around porn a mental health too much for my liking. And a bit too much on the "toxicity of the debate" - I did snort at Atkins bringing up Twitter as evidence.

I'll be interested to see what policy is brought forward out of this because I still can not get my head round how it can be fixed without a structural reform of governance and a big injection of cash

They added the "I' years ago. Thread from 2019 although its use was common before then and people with DSD/VSD had already repeatedly asked to not have their complex medical histories used as a political football.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/3749453-Gay-male-trainer-on-LGBTQI-rights-at-work-says-not-to-use-the-word-Lesbianism

https://mrkhvoice.com/index.php/2019/12/18/what-is-dignity/

I've been watching the BBC drama about the girls in Rochdale and I've been struck by some parallels. Many people were reluctant to see what was happening in Rochdale because they were afraid of being called racist, in the same way that people have been afraid to speak up now for fear of being called transphobic bigots. It's good to see some of these barriers are being broken down and more MPs are speaking out.

Cheers

They can be transvestites as was the label before. Some homosexual, and some heterosexual transvestites. Can't remember the man who set this all out on AGP but he was right.

I think in another thread someone said 790 or something like that. It was in response to butterflyhatched joining the thread.

Yep.

I’ve just watched lots of snippets on Twitter. Very emotional to hear it all.

I’m not a Tory but thought Victoria had a fantastic grasp on the facts and seems a very competent person to be in charge of implementing Cass. I do hope she makes great progress before the next election.

Also loved the way she put LRM in his place 😂

So depressing that so many gay and lesbian people have cheered gender ideology on. Whoever tried to link it with the (historic?) oppression of gays and lesbians pulled a very neat trick for a while there.

Mention of the end of Mermaids, goodnight to Stonewall too?

Me neither.

I think the entire movement is driven by men's sexual drives.

And they require children to legitimise it. Baby trans.

Without that, or the threat of suicide, they're gonna run out of road.

Thank you for bringing this debate to our attention. Never thought I'd hear such a considered debate on this subject. Loved Minister's response to the member from Brighton.

Up on Hansard now:

https://hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2024-04-15/debates/AFE3A39A-3333-4790-AE30-776A474188C4/CassReview

But even where medication has not been one of the outcomes of intervention, the child hasnt been supported with the MH issues that clearly underline the presentation. That in itself is harmful, a child who then grows up, albeit unmedicated, off into the world of hating themselves, calling themselves different names every year, lurching from MH crisis to MH crisis.

Most usually with a history of trauma and ASD (either undiagnosed or diagnosed)

On a side note, because I havent read the report I suppose there is no focus on other aspects of gender self ID/sex self ID because another thing that really concerns me is crimes being reported as being committed by women when they are committed by men (presenting as women)

Absolutely - the public need to be reminded that 15-20 years ago these men would have been called transvestites

I think they’ve already been getting their back up plan ready by adding “intersex” to the rainbow acronym, that started last year and they’ve tried pushing “trans and intersex” inclusion policies.

Most of them girls and most of the girls same-sex attracted.

Sorry but I thought that VA failed to grasp the total failure and scandal that the GIDS/Tavi has been. I watched nearly the full parliamentary proceedings - and was left just annoyed with all the paltry homilies about doing the best for children etc etc
When we are talking about the worst medical scandal in our history.
Children were going into the Tavistock system and ending with their genitals cut off/ chemically mutilated.
Only one MP (that I heard) said out loud that it was a scandal. And that those responsible should be facing consequences.

Thanks. I take the point that we can't assume they all got pbs. But that is an enormous number of children. Shocking.

A confident and assured performance and grasp of the issue by Victoria Aitken. Annelise Dodds looking quite uncomfortable sitting there next to Wes Streeting ...and the usual cheerleaders and apologists for Mermaids et al, making a lot of sound and fury, Including my own MP Kim Johnson. She's just so aggressive. So good to see Joanna Cherry, Miriam Cates, Rosie Duffield having their moment.