Breaking Down Cass Review Myths and Misconceptions: What You Need to Know

I wonder if it would help to try to frame things in the activists' own terms.

Was a bit of that in the latest Queens Speech episode, responding to the WPATH response to Cass:

"Cisnormative bias". These are the people, by the way, who advocate for puberty blockers because it makes adolescent boys look more girly when they grow up. It advocates for radical surgery to turn perfectly healthy genitals into a simulacrum of those of the opposite sex. It removes the breasts from teenage girls so that they look more manly. They're the ones who are operating with cisnormative bias, if you ask me.

- Yeah, that's a good point, actually. Because in many respects as we've criticised in the past, what with the the cohort at the Tavistock being mainly same sex attracted, taking a proto-lesbian or or little boy who's going to grow up to be gay and putting them through this... It's heterosexualising surgery. So you're absolutely right.

- Absolutely, and it's turning them into a cisnormative version of a man/woman so I don't know where they get away with this I really don't.

I wonder if it would help to try to frame things in the activists' own terms. "Gender identity is fluid" I'm sure most of them would be happy to sign up for. The next step is simply "it's especially fluid for children and young people, and we need to take that into account so they don't get harmed".

These are the scariest commentators for me because they KNOW they're lying. Not mistaken, not out of their depth, deliberately looking to mislead.

It can only be because, in their quasi-religious zeal, they believe the ends justify the means.

The true believers doing the Lord's work. Who is the Lord in this analogy? Queer Theory?

ah Miriam Cates

Who is in the pink jacket?

Victoria Atkins and Rosie Duffield both coming across very well

I was too late to edit to add that I'm especially disappointed in Gorski because he spent a lot of time and personal resources to debunk Geiers and the lucrative Lupron protocol they offered as a treatment for autism. He used to be all over the harms of Lupron for children.

I can't tell you how crushingly disappointing all this is.

Does the fall from grace never stop? I've not expected much of Gorski from the Science Based Medicine blog for some time but this is a new low. (Gorski was leading light in Skeptics that abandoned their scepticism.)

For those unfamiliar with Gorski, he did a lot of fine work debunking Wakefield and Holocaust deniers. ETA: he's also a breast cancer surgeon and clinical researcher.

https://twitter.com/lecanardnoir?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

Andy Lewis (Le Canard Noir and Quackometer) has a handle on MN and I can't remember it.

He's a history of fine analysis of research and was a leading skeptic until that movement left him. (Like the Colin Wright Left-Right meme.)

Thanks for posting this - very helpful for those of us with Cass deniers in our lives

Are the older (55+) ladies in church every Sunday, all with short hair, all in trousers, all in flat shoes, being gender non-conformist, or just comfortable and practical?

Has India any other mode?

What do activists think was happening to children before 2011 when puberty blockers were introduced?

All those "trans kids" who were too afraid to come out (about 2,500 per year) and accessing no treatment should have been killing themselves in large number, shouldn't they? And after 2011 the suicide rate should have dropped.

Did it?

No. the suicide rate shows no correlation at all

https://stateofchildhealth.rcpch.ac.uk/evidence/mental-health/suicide/

I see India is in full conspiracy mode

I can only hope this reaction has not been cynically whipped up by activists in less vulnerable mental states in order to provoke these kinds of fear responses.

This.

I imagine there is a very high prevalence of ASD among trans identifying Redditors. There appears to be some link between ASD and paranoid tendencies, which makes sense if you struggle to read people and have had bad social experiences.

I had a friend who sabotaged our friendship due to paranoia regarding my thoughts on trans people. This incident actually led to the GP referring him to autism assessment.

It's distressing to see how distressed these Redditors are. I can only hope this reaction has not been cynically whipped up by activists in less vulnerable mental states in order to provoke these kinds of fear responses.

One of the myths was issued before the review was even published .

We had a very special person bring that along to a thread here the other day:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5049818-to-nominate-the-principle-authors-of-the-cass-review-for-this

Took a little while to dig down into where that screenshot claimed to be from, but we got there on page 8.

Fun thread...

Slightly tangential, but if we Gen Z-ers were really as gender non conforming as we like to think we are, there would be way more short-haired women in our age group.

I have one of these "soon to be banned!?!?" pixie cuts and I'm always the odd one out. I've even had gender believers and be-kinders suggest I'm not very womanly looking! Kind of funny considering I'm short even for a woman, and have a petite build and feminine facial features.

Back on topic, that Reddit comment was bizarre. There seems to be an awful lot of odd reading comprehension and "creative" interpretations of the Cass Report.

Some screenshots of tweet.

https://twitter.com/benryanwriter/status/1779638396442313201

One of the myths was issued before the review was even published .

Wow. The level of paranoia there is astounding.

Yes and cis women will be banned from having pixie cuts!!! It's the obvious logical outcome of the Cass Report 🙃

And what about the Scottish Police!