Page 6 | Letter from academics concerned about the Cass Review

MidsomerMurmurs · 2024-04-15T06:25:37+00:00

Sally Hines et al have written a letter… [[https://uncommon-scents.blogspot.com/2024/04/letter-from-academics-concerned-about.html?m=1 https://uncommon-scents.blogspot.com/2024/04/letter-from-academics-concerned-about.html?m=1]] Worth a read, both for the quality of its argument and for the list of signatories. [[https://twitter.com/lecanardnoir/status/1779535066944634919 https://twitter.com/lecanardnoir/status/1779535066944634919]] ^When your letter against the Cass Review is signed by ^*Andrew Wakefield*^, then some alarm bells ought to go off that you are on the wrong side^

RedToothBrush · 15/04/2024 07:57

NecessaryScene · 15/04/2024 07:52

Last few pages of this thread has already been having fun picking through the signatories:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womensrights/5026968-no-more-puberty-blockers-for-children-from-the-nhs-reported-in-the-times?page=33

One person did have a vaguely-related discipline - evading "sadistic commands communicated in adverts, TV programmes and magazine articles; a fetishistic gaze that dissects the body into parts to be improved through commodification".

But apparently totally unable to apply that critique in this case...

Edited

See posts on this thread from page 33 about some of the signatories. I've posted all the ones I've searched for - I havent been selective for effect.

It's off the scale batshittery. For the most part entertaining but one or two are actively worrying.

Morasssassafras · 15/04/2024 07:52

RhymesWithOrange · 15/04/2024 07:35

So a grand total of 97 people vaguely connected with universities in the whole world don’t like the Cass Report. How underwhelming.

I googled a random sample of those 97 names, and found a PhD student, a lecturer in tourist behaviour, someone who can’t even spell the name of their university and quite a lot of men in woman-face.

95, as at least 2 people are on the list twice.

NecessaryScene · 15/04/2024 07:52

Last few pages of this thread has already been having fun picking through the signatories:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womensrights/5026968-no-more-puberty-blockers-for-children-from-the-nhs-reported-in-the-times?page=33

One person did have a vaguely-related discipline - evading "sadistic commands communicated in adverts, TV programmes and magazine articles; a fetishistic gaze that dissects the body into parts to be improved through commodification".

But apparently totally unable to apply that critique in this case...

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MidsomerMurmurs · 15/04/2024 07:44

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 15/04/2024 07:36

Where is Andrew Wakefield on the list?
TBH I disagree with the logic, I don’t really care if one particularly shonky person is on the list. What I find more interesting is how few and how insignificant the signatories are, as well as how irrelevant their fields are. It hasn’t really got much traction. Most people have more sense than to make idiots of themselves by pretending expertise on a kind of research that they don’t actually know anything about merely on the basis of their being academics.

Yes, of course. Lucy Hunter Blackburn makes that point too:

https://twitter.com/LucyHunterB/status/1779541868952351165
"Its methodology is shoddy in the extreme and it is clearly biased throughout" say people asserting their exceptional personal qualification to critique a medical study from a background in... [these are the first four people I picked randomly]

https://twitter.com/LucyHunterB/status/1779541868952351165

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CormorantStrikesBack · 15/04/2024 07:42

RhymesWithOrange · 15/04/2024 07:35

So a grand total of 97 people vaguely connected with universities in the whole world don’t like the Cass Report. How underwhelming.

I googled a random sample of those 97 names, and found a PhD student, a lecturer in tourist behaviour, someone who can’t even spell the name of their university and quite a lot of men in woman-face.

Ha ha, what a surprise - not!

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MidsomerMurmurs · 15/04/2024 07:40

Wakefield was on it last night and when I looks this morning and yes, it was possibly a wind-up but also signatories were by invitation or vetted: it wasn’t something where people could instantly sign and appear online.
https://twitter.com/lecanardnoir/status/1779547330372338152

https://twitter.com/lecanardnoir/status/1779547330372338152

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Okayornot · 15/04/2024 07:40

"As academics with decades of research experience between us"

But in what? I googled a few names at random and discovered a couple of sociologists, and "educational specialist" (whatever that means), a historian, a computer scientist.

I get that they don't like the conclusions reached but the response is embarrassing.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 15/04/2024 07:36

Where is Andrew Wakefield on the list?
TBH I disagree with the logic, I don’t really care if one particularly shonky person is on the list. What I find more interesting is how few and how insignificant the signatories are, as well as how irrelevant their fields are. It hasn’t really got much traction. Most people have more sense than to make idiots of themselves by pretending expertise on a kind of research that they don’t actually know anything about merely on the basis of their being academics.

RhymesWithOrange · 15/04/2024 07:35

So a grand total of 97 people vaguely connected with universities in the whole world don’t like the Cass Report. How underwhelming.

I googled a random sample of those 97 names, and found a PhD student, a lecturer in tourist behaviour, someone who can’t even spell the name of their university and quite a lot of men in woman-face.

drwitch · 15/04/2024 07:34

Andrew Wakefields name seems to have disappeared -was probably a wind up

HermioneWeasley · 15/04/2024 07:29

They might as well have written it in crayon. The nerve of these people