Active discussions

Please or to access all these features

Talk
Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Feminism: chat

Original poster

Take part: Autistic Gender Critical Voices

92 replies

NeuroPoppins · 14/04/2024 21:30

Hi everyone, I'm putting together an article for my blog about what autistic ppl would like to say to other autistics about how they've been treated for having GC views.

Like being banned from groups, dog-piled, censored, trolled, branded hateful, shamed etc. About maybe feeling you've had to leave the groups and find a new place. Whatever experiences ppl have had. Maybe even personal guilt for not speaking up sooner, or for seeing others be silenced and not sticking up for them because it would have been too overwhelming for you to do. Help ppl see that you can admit these things and you're not alone.

I'm thinking I'll make an article with different quotes from ppl. Maybe turn some into Slides/Infographics so they're more likely to be shared around to help reach more ppl who might feel the same. Or see it and see the consequences for having been the persecutors damning us.

If anyone has anything they'd like to say or add to it put it here in the comments

Will all be done anonymously so no one will be named etc. No worries if you don't want to add anything, that's fine too.

I can't post a link to my blog as it will get marked as spam but you can just search my name Neuro Poppins and you will find my blog so you can check me out first. I've done Autistic Interviews before where I included questions about gender and published gender critical voices to show that there are autistic ppl who do not agree with gender ideology. I'd like to help raise our voices so I'm thinking up different ways to do so.

(I don't monetise the blog either btw, so I'm not making any money off this. I do it because of passion.)

Feel free to ask me any questions if you need more info

OP posts:
Thread gallery
12
stickygotstuck · 19/04/2024 07:46

BonfireLady · 19/04/2024 07:07

It's great that you're doing this OP. Thank you.

Have you heard this speech before?

https://twitter.com/HeidiBriones/status/1778146112068788505?t=kWGl2Di2AAOv4dpSv98LoQ&s=19

I found it interesting listening to her (Maia's) thoughts on why she had previously believed that she wasn't female.

That's a great speech. Clear and compelling. Well done Maia.

MrsGhastlyCrumb · 19/04/2024 07:41

I would like to say that it had made finding support for my 12 year old daughter much more complicated. There are ASD groups locally which she is nearly eligible to join (age wise), but they are completely captured and so not safe to send her to. She is really struggling and there isn't much support out there for young kids here so it's extremely frustrating.

stickygotstuck · 19/04/2024 07:37

This is great OP.

I don't have a lot to contribute as I tend to keep myself to myself. But I am part of a local support group for parents of ND children and the first day I walked in, I was greeted by All The Flags hanging up high on the walls. (The mention of it being a Safe Space also triggered my spidery senses. Safe from what? But that's probably just me).

Then someone mentioned that Autistic kids are more likely to be trans. My initial reaction was to say, 'well of course they are, you don't fit in and then someone online on in your school LGBT++++ club offers you an' acceptable explanation ' with fluffy rainbows and what looks like acceptance, finally. Of course you are going to fall for it hook, line and sinker. I'd have done as a young teen, which scares me to think about'.

But I didn't say any of that aloud, and felt like a coward. And I find myself self-censoring, biting my tongue sometimes. And attending less and less.

I did say that it's probably best to watch and wait, and hold off any medical intervention or social transition when one parent said their 16 year old son said he thought he was trans. I was encouraged to see that a couple of people there thought this was a sensible approach. But still, I find myself second guessing myself, unsure how to behave around the group. Which is a load I don't need. So no support for me as a parent of an ND child.

BonfireLady · 19/04/2024 07:07

It's great that you're doing this OP. Thank you.

Have you heard this speech before?

https://twitter.com/HeidiBriones/status/1778146112068788505?t=kWGl2Di2AAOv4dpSv98LoQ&s=19

I found it interesting listening to her (Maia's) thoughts on why she had previously believed that she wasn't female.

https://twitter.com/HeidiBriones/status/1778146112068788505?s=19&t=kWGl2Di2AAOv4dpSv98LoQ

Original poster
NeuroPoppins · 16/04/2024 07:30

SwordToFlamethrower · 15/04/2024 10:57

I run my own autism group on Facebook, exclusively for women bc yes, most autism groups "for women" allow tw.

I would have been sterilised and amputated if I were a girl now. At the time, I was a tom boy and had alot of internalised misogyny, so I would have done it, even against my mother's wishes, to escape the trappings of being female.

I'd love to join the group if you're happy to share it? I'm slowly starting to challenge the online groups now that I've found more GC groups to be part of. I'm going to start challenging autistic advocates/publishers/websites etc publicly. They are pushing this ideology onto autistic ppl so I can't just keep ignoring it anymore when they post on their Facebook pages etc

OP posts:
Original poster
NeuroPoppins · 16/04/2024 07:26

LogicLoverLlama · 15/04/2024 12:42

I am Autistic and functional enough to get a day job, but I find myself having to constantly self censor during the day, on LinkedIn etc but also on personal social media, I have lost good, long term friends over legitimate comments

It's awful isn't it. Especially when you consider we are often marginalized and isolated socially anyway and now we have a whole new way to feel unacceptable and have to mask in a whole new way, but this time with autistics!

OP posts:
Original poster
NeuroPoppins · 16/04/2024 07:24

KnitFastDieWarm · 15/04/2024 12:50

Autistic here, bisexual, think gender stereotypes need dismantling, happy for people to dress and live in the way that makes them happy. I’d love a world where ‘being a man’ or ‘being a woman’ = ‘being 100% yourself and living how the fuck you want in a way that brings you joy’.

But I deal in facts and I don’t have any truck with compelled speech or groupthink. To say people can change sex is a lie, and as most autistic people are very uncomfortable with lying I’m not sure exactly what mental gymnastics autistic TRAs are using to justify their beliefs. Humans can’t change sex.

I struggle to understand how so many autistics go along with this lie considering how free we usually are from group think. But I think it preys on our feeling 'other' and gives it a name that is more tangible for us. And tribe of misfits

OP posts:
Original poster
NeuroPoppins · 16/04/2024 07:20

Yes, I am certain I would have thought I was either non-binary (goes well with my lack of desire in sexual intimacy (I used to describe myself as asexual, but I prefer to say non-sexual now). Or I would have thought 8 was a bit.

I did dress up as a boy between ages 11-13 but in secret. I've never felt like other girls and considered myself a totally different kind of human to them, separating myself. It's only in my 30s that I've realised I'm a female. I was never gender dysphoric though, but it's hard to explain. I'm very relieved to have grown up before these times

OP posts:
KnitFastDieWarm · 15/04/2024 12:50

Autistic here, bisexual, think gender stereotypes need dismantling, happy for people to dress and live in the way that makes them happy. I’d love a world where ‘being a man’ or ‘being a woman’ = ‘being 100% yourself and living how the fuck you want in a way that brings you joy’.

But I deal in facts and I don’t have any truck with compelled speech or groupthink. To say people can change sex is a lie, and as most autistic people are very uncomfortable with lying I’m not sure exactly what mental gymnastics autistic TRAs are using to justify their beliefs. Humans can’t change sex.

LogicLoverLlama · 15/04/2024 12:42

I am Autistic and functional enough to get a day job, but I find myself having to constantly self censor during the day, on LinkedIn etc but also on personal social media, I have lost good, long term friends over legitimate comments

StealthSpinach · 15/04/2024 12:06

SwordToFlamethrower · 15/04/2024 10:57

I run my own autism group on Facebook, exclusively for women bc yes, most autism groups "for women" allow tw.

I would have been sterilised and amputated if I were a girl now. At the time, I was a tom boy and had alot of internalised misogyny, so I would have done it, even against my mother's wishes, to escape the trappings of being female.

I’m recently diagnosed (last week), and have a DC with ASD. I’d be very interested in a group such as yours…

SwordToFlamethrower · 15/04/2024 10:57

I run my own autism group on Facebook, exclusively for women bc yes, most autism groups "for women" allow tw.

I would have been sterilised and amputated if I were a girl now. At the time, I was a tom boy and had alot of internalised misogyny, so I would have done it, even against my mother's wishes, to escape the trappings of being female.

BlackeyedSusan · 15/04/2024 10:27

I would like to say that it is normal for autistic girls to feel uncomfortable with their bodies when they start to change...as it's change and brings unwanted attention and we can find it embarrassing. It may take us longer to get used to being grown up and that's ok.

It is normal for us to be slower to want to achieve the life steps of relationships, marriage, children etc. This does not mean that we won't want to at some point so don't prevent yourself having kids in the future just because you don't want them at 16,18 or even we'll into your 20s.You might change your mind and regret it. Yes, I know that we think we definitely won't, because that's how our brains work, but all of a sudden we can change our minds. Don't discount this possibility.

It's ok to wear comfortable clothes over fashion. Does not make you male, just a comfortable autistic girl.

Autistic girls (and women) do not have to conform to NT gender expectations to be a girl. We can have our own style and culture without being thought of as trans.

Original poster
NeuroPoppins · 15/04/2024 08:12

Yes, it's shocking that Autism organisations and charities are not speaking out. The Autism 'movement' has got so tangled up in gender ideology that we can't untangle ourselves from it, it's taken over so many ppl making autism rights second place

OP posts:
AtrociousCircumstance · 14/04/2024 23:41

Bumping too.

GeorgeOrwellsTurningGrave · 14/04/2024 23:40

I'm so glad you're doing this. I'm not ND but several family members who are and I'm disgusted with the cowardice of the the main autism charities who'd rather play politics than protect their own.

Villagetoraiseachild · 14/04/2024 22:07

Bumping for you.