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Brighton and Hove council Trans Tool kit is likely illegal - Brighton family threatening legal action if not withdrawn

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LogicLoverLlama · 13/04/2024 19:59

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/13/schools-in-england-and-wales-using-gender-toolkit-risk-being-sued-by-parents

I live In Brighton. Both my kids are affected by this. I am not the one threatening legal action but I'll be adding my name to this brave families.

For the record my son was socially transitioned at school without my permission or knowledge (11) and my daughter shares changing spaces with a MTF trans child.

Schools in England and Wales using ‘gender toolkit’ risk being sued by parents

Leading barrister warns that the kit – used to support gender-questioning children – is likely to be in breach of equality laws and could violate pupils’ rights

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/13/schools-in-england-and-wales-using-gender-toolkit-risk-being-sued-by-parents

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blackcherryconserve · 31/05/2024 09:26

LogicLoverLlama · 13/04/2024 20:12

Thing is, the toolkit has been adopted (albeit often tweaked) by a majority schools around the UK, it's the original, the Patient Zero. If you have kids, it's likely their school follows something similar.

I had no idea about this. ND DGS is about to go to secondary school in September. To have to put up with this sxxt besides the general adaptation from primary to 'big' school is disgraceful and dangerous. DD is not sadly GC so I can't take up the issue with her as she no doubt thinks it's all fine. Is there any way of finding out which schools have taken on this 'toolkit'?

Grammarnut · 31/05/2024 09:18

Sympathy and solidarity.

Enterthewolves · 30/05/2024 11:50

Does anyone have an update on what’s happening with the Brighton case?

Dumbledoreslemonsherbets · 16/04/2024 10:02

MrsOvertonsWindow · 14/04/2024 09:22

Good idea. The conflict between gender reassignment and child safeguarding / the protected characteristic of age (youth) has never been tested in the courts. This has allowed the dodgy activists to claim that of course gender reassignment applies to children of any age and legal advice concurs because we've no case law.
It's unacceptable for schools to be put in the firing line for legal challenge. The groups wanting children to transition are very wealthy and won't hesitate to bully schools and remove their ability to safeguard children. So it's essential that the government steps in and takes on the responsibility for arguing in the courts that the safety of children is more important than trans ideology

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Yes, it's a failure of central government. In KCSIE it specifies safeguarding has primacy over GDPR. I.e. you can breach GDPR if needed for safeguarding a child.

We need something similar regarding EA 2010 as children ARE NOT MINI ADULTS! If they were they wouldn't be in school but out working, like in Victorian England!

(sorry, bit fed up about this).

What I will say is that parents have power, and for many schools (not all) it does not need to be combative. I'm a governor as well as a parent and my older child's school had a couple of trans activist teachers the first year. Teachers are stretched at all times, working long hours with insufficient resources and expected - increasingly - to pick up what should be social services work. To feed children who are hungry because their parents can't afford food. It's bloody hard being a teacher in a state school and activists can quite easily sneak things in without other overstretched staff noticing. In my DDs school, this had a very quick course correction once the HT was aware of what had happened via parents point it out.

In my experience MOST teachers really do want the best for children, they would be doing an easier job if they didn't. Unfortunately activist teachers have been able to run amok partly because schools are stretched and in the absence of a clear steer from government.

I do think it would be ideal to have a few high profile sackings of teachers who have breached safeguarding spectacularly, and government guidance needs to be statutory.

And the captured parts of the DBS service also need sacking - at the moment teachers will be scared not to capitulate for fear of getting DBS barred as Kevin Lister was.

nodsay · 16/04/2024 09:37

If anyone who has written to Brighton secondaries has received a response from the school on this, could they share it with me? via PM if they prefer? As a concerned parent of a secondary age child in Brighton would love to know what they say.

CranfordScones · 15/04/2024 13:58

From the legal opinion:
3.3. The Toolkit barely addresses the position of girls and boys who do not
identify as trans and the impact upon them of trans inclusion.
3.4. The Toolkit does not address the position of pupils and members of staff
who hold particular religious or philosophical beliefs, including “gender
critical beliefs”.
...
206. The Toolkit barely touches upon safeguarding and where it does, the central and almost sole focus is on trans children.
207. There is no mention of the impact of trans inclusion on girls and the risk of sexual violence and harassment

Thank you Karon Monaghan KC. Why does it take 75 pages of Leading Counsel's opinion (not a cheap undertaking) to state the incredibly obvious.

Also, is there a gardening project for this, or has someone got deep pockets?

FrancescaContini · 15/04/2024 13:28

mcduffy · 14/04/2024 06:40

This is in today's Sunday times about Brighton

Doctor exploits NHS loophole to prescribe hormones for children

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/992adfd9-476a-45fe-a63d-e2b43a676894?shareToken=fb8488616dce9e2e53009fbe8ee5580a

The final paragraph of the article is very chilling.

LogicLoverLlama · 15/04/2024 13:27

I have created a new thread with all the supporting information we need to write to our children's school to ensure they review their trans policies / trans toolkits inline with the Cass review and the legal review of the trans toolkit policy here

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5050647-cass-report-school-policies-write-to-your-childs-school-for-evidence-their-current-policies-and-practices-are-lawful-and-in-line-with-the-cass-report-links-starter-info

Please write to your child's school regardless of if they use the toolkit, the more conversations that are had the better

Cass report & School Policies - Write to your child's school for evidence their current policies and practices are lawful and in line with the Cass Report (links + starter info) | Mumsnet

This post is to give you, concerned parents, enough information to write to your child's school (or their old school) and ask if the schools policies...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5050647-cass-report-school-policies-write-to-your-childs-school-for-evidence-their-current-policies-and-practices-are-lawful-and-in-line-with-the-cass-report-links-starter-info

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2fallsfromSSA · 15/04/2024 13:04

Ereshkigalangcleg · 15/04/2024 10:29

Apologies meant to quote you @2fallsfromSSA

No problem! You ae right, many councils did withdraw following action from parents across the UK.

ArabellaScott · 15/04/2024 10:40

2fallsfromSSA · 14/04/2024 20:42

Here is our 14 days to withdraw letter from the OCC challenge. People are welcome to edit and use themselves.

safeschoolsallianceuk.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/lea-toolkit-letter-template-1.docx

Fantastic, thank you.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 15/04/2024 10:33

The CPS also pulled their appalling guidelines for schools rather than face a JR. It's wrong that we need legal cases to get these dangerous child gaslighting policies out of schools - safeguarding should be intrinsic for every local authority - but no longer as we keep seeing.

This. Please do cite these challenges when you approach your local authority. No one was prepared to defend these "toolkits" in court. Because they're awful.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 15/04/2024 10:29

Apologies meant to quote you @2fallsfromSSA

Ereshkigalangcleg · 15/04/2024 10:29

It's definitely worth sharing with schools. and I would say share the case against OCC because they withdrew the toolkit rather than face legal action. It's practically the same toolkit.

YY. There were other LAs who caved in this way due to challenge from people using your template ISTR, but I suspect Brighton will be the "final boss" of them and won't go easily.

LogicLoverLlama · 15/04/2024 10:27

I suspect a new thread to cover how to do it would be best but, every parent who write to their school to get clarification on this, using these materials, is doing our children a massive service.

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2fallsfromSSA · 14/04/2024 20:42

Here is our 14 days to withdraw letter from the OCC challenge. People are welcome to edit and use themselves.

safeschoolsallianceuk.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/lea-toolkit-letter-template-1.docx

WarriorN · 14/04/2024 15:31

It's actually more useful than the Cass review. As it specifically outlines the law and how the tool kit breaks it, noting the relevant parts of Cass. Which I doubt many slt will have the time to spend analysing at length.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 14/04/2024 15:31

BusyMummy001 · 14/04/2024 15:27

I also second (third, fourth?) sharing it - the fact that there is a pending case should be enough to make schools/governing bodies cautious about continued reliance on it, as a successful outcome would make them culpable for that continued reliance from the date they were made aware of the case/risk?

I do hope this is picked up by the press. Schools must start to be aware of the dangers of all this - for children but also for their reputation.

As there's a new Head at the once Stonewall captured Ofsted I'm cautiously hopeful that parents reporting a school for secretly socially grooming their child into transitioning will get a response from them.

BusyMummy001 · 14/04/2024 15:27

I also second (third, fourth?) sharing it - the fact that there is a pending case should be enough to make schools/governing bodies cautious about continued reliance on it, as a successful outcome would make them culpable for that continued reliance from the date they were made aware of the case/risk?

WarriorN · 14/04/2024 15:26

Technically everything in that letter should be part of the guidance for schools and be statutory.

WarriorN · 14/04/2024 15:24

That's my point @MrsOvertonsWindow, it's designed to prompt a school to realise they're breaking the law and correct it or face court. It so good and detailed it doesn't need to be tested in court - so yes, share everywhere!

2fallsfromSSA · 14/04/2024 15:12

It's definitely worth sharing with schools. and I would say share the case against OCC because they withdrew the toolkit rather than face legal action. It's practically the same toolkit.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 14/04/2024 15:09

WarriorN · 14/04/2024 15:01

I'm uncertain if it needs to be tested in court? - the letter outlines all the ways in which the law is broken by the tool kit. Possibly if the school refuse it goes to court?

As it's a KC's informed legal opinion so I would think is worthy of sharing?
We know there are other KCs who will argue that children's safety and well being should take second place to the demands of adults to push gender reassignment at them. That's where we keep ending up - which is more important? Children believing they can change sex urged on by certain adults or children being safeguarded from the delusion that their bodies are wrong but a sex change will cure them?

MrsOvertonsWindow · 14/04/2024 15:04

2fallsfromSSA · 14/04/2024 14:57

I wish the parents luck. The Brighton toolkit needed to be challenged 5 years ago when Oxfordshire backed out of legal action brought by a 13 year old girl. If it had been challenged under JR then it's likely it would have been withdrawn then and other LAs would have followed.

This is the OCC for anyone interested.

safeschoolsallianceuk.net/legal-action-against-oxfordshire-county-council/

The CPS also pulled their appalling guidelines for schools rather than face a JR. It's wrong that we need legal cases to get these dangerous child gaslighting policies out of schools - safeguarding should be intrinsic for every local authority - but no longer as we keep seeing.

WarriorN · 14/04/2024 15:03

But that's a good point, if tested it's unanimous.

WarriorN · 14/04/2024 15:01

ValancyRedfern · 14/04/2024 09:15

Am I understanding right that this is an upcoming case? When is the case coming to court? I'd like to share Karon Monoaghan KC's document with my school, but wondering if it will be batted back if it hasn't been tested in court yet.

I'm uncertain if it needs to be tested in court? - the letter outlines all the ways in which the law is broken by the tool kit. Possibly if the school refuse it goes to court?