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A good time for a thread to note all the companies, charities and celebrities that jumped onto the Trans bandwagon without any care for the children being harmed [title edited]

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MsFogi · 12/04/2024 15:45

So we (and they) don't forget and to assist any journalists who are working on stories. I'll get the ball rolling:

Now the CASS report is out it may be time to revisit the part the Dentons' advice played in all of this - does anyone have a copy? | Mumsnet

[[https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-document-that-reveals-the-remarkable-tactics-of-trans-lobbyists https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-docu...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5048558-now-the-cass-report-is-out-it-may-be-time-to-revisit-the-part-the-dentons-advice-played-in-all-of-this-does-anyone-have-a-copy?reply=134483032

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FoulWrinkledWitch · 12/04/2024 22:24

ScathingAngelAgrona · 12/04/2024 22:17

Why has no one mentioned Eddie Izzard?

Ha! Was just about to add him to the list!

OvaHere · 12/04/2024 22:23

Not a specific company or organisation but can we add libraries everywhere to this list? Roughly about 5 years ago so many of them seemed to completely lose the plot and continue to do so.

Yes I have just read the Norfolk 'joy' thread.

ScathingAngelAgrona · 12/04/2024 22:17

Why has no one mentioned Eddie Izzard?

BeyondHumanKenneth · 12/04/2024 22:09

Tim Davie Director General of the BBC.

FoulWrinkledWitch · 12/04/2024 22:08

Balenciaga children and teddy bears in bondage gear

MsFogi · 12/04/2024 22:06

Chewbecca · 12/04/2024 18:33

HSBC
Their employee health policy includes cover for transitioning for employees & their families.
Note it excludes menopause related issues.

This is an interesting one, lots of large companies have this - a benefit that provides sex change ops/drugs to the employee and their family members (including children) and excludes menopause related issues. I suspect that post-CASS any sensible organisation should be reviewing the sex change/drugs provision pronto to avoid storing up claims against them in the future.
As for excluding the menopause related issues - its f**king annoying, not least because they all do the crap virtue-signalling of 'we provide you with a shit app that is a complete waste of time but ticks the menopause-support box'. Any decent work health insurance policy should be covering this - you can bet your bottom dollar if men had menopause symptoms it would get gold-plated cover.

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Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 12/04/2024 21:59

Six years ago the Fawcett Society had an event with a group of female Parliamentarians to talk about progressing towards 50:50 representation of the sexes in Parliament. MNer @Anlaf was there and posted a transcript of the livestream afterwards. Several names we can add to the list as a result:

Audience member
Hello, I’m , my question is about the all women shortlists. Most of the all women shortlists are open to anyone who identifies as a woman. So in theory, taking this to this ultimate theorisable end, all women shortlists could be composed of all transwomen, which means parliament could see 50% male representatives, MPs and 50% transwomen MPs. Would everyone be happy with that as fair representation?

Baroness Sal Brinton, LibDems:
...On the issue about would I be happy with 50% transwomen. Absolutely. A transwoman is a woman. And in my party [lib dems] the issue about identification has been self-identification, it is not as has been whispered by some, something you can change your mind and do ten minutes beforehand [much nodding from Alison Thewliss of SNP] we all know who our transwomen are and we support them

Amelia Womack (Greens):on the point of transwomen – I absolutely believe that transwomen are women as well, and if we begin our movement as women with eliminating and trying to sideline women as part of the movement then I don’t understand how we can enforce the systems that we ourselves have been victim to for so long on another group. Because when I work with trans women, when we work with women on an intersectional basis , we all have different experiences of what it is to be a women – a woman, and transwomen are just one section of the different experiences that every single one of us have , because none of us have experienced being a woman in this world in the same way, whether that’s because of our intersectional aspects of being working class or being disabled or being a woman of colour, we all experience the patriacrchy, we’ve all experienced these issues in very different ways, and that’s why it’s important that every single aspect of engaging women is intersectional and engages trans women as well.

Maria Miller (Tory):…. In terms of all women shortlists, and transwomen: it’s not about a belief that a transwoman is a woman, it is the law. And it’s been that way for ten years. Transwomen are women and in my party they are treated that way. They are a group who endure some of the worst discrimination , some of the most despicable discrimination, that we ever see, and as a woman who has seen a little of that, they will always get my enduring support, and we will need more transwomen to think about standing for parliament;

Parliament needs a transwomen MP actually, and for the parliament to look like the country that we represent, there;s a deficit, so hey ho, live with it.
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It's just wonderful to see you all here and thanks very much indeed for coming . I just want to make it completely clear that 50::50 parliament support all women, and some women, like transwomen, face multiple hurdles, so we want to help all women…

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/3310443-Fawcett-Society-Live-stream-from-5-30pm-Courage-Calls-Ask-her-to-stand

Sausagenbacon · 12/04/2024 21:55

Adam Buxton
Annaliese Dodds
The FT

Mirandawrongs · 12/04/2024 21:52

Swashbuckled · 12/04/2024 21:12

@InvisibleDuck

I agree with you about this; it is both shocking and chilling.

I offer psychotherapy to (only) women in the NHS. At the point of referral to the service they are all asked if they have a preference as to whether they see a man or a woman (even for assessment) and this is entered into their notes and respected. This is absolutely essential with women who have experienced trauma at the hands of men. And completely unethical to insist otherwise.

Was the trainer who explained this protocol male or female @Mirandawrongs ?

Female trainer said it but the other two trainers,male and female, sat there nodding. I did ask if a caller feels more comfortable with a woman then surely it’s what should happen but got told “these are the guidelines” with a sanctimonious smirk.

absolute arseholes.

PastCatInABookTree · 12/04/2024 21:35

Milkshake on Channel 5

FuckOffYokeofOpression · 12/04/2024 21:12

ResisterRex · 12/04/2024 16:36

MPs? Other politicians?

Sadiq Khan, Mayor of London
Drakeford (gone but not forgotten)
Ashley Dalton
Lisa Nandy
Nadia Whittome
Emily Thornberry
Lammysaurus
Dodds
Yvette Cooper
Starmer
Rayner (who's just recommitted to the charter that called the LGBA and WPUK "hate groups")
Reeves
Streeting - has done a volte face on the Cass Review but was part of the Facebook group
Lloyd Russell-Moyle
Matt Western
Christian Wakeford
Dawn "babies are born without a sex" Butler
Kate Osborne
Caroline Nokes
Alicia Kearns
Crispin Blunt
Mhairi Black
Hannah Bardell
Baroness Burt
Baroness Featherstone
Baroness Butler-Sloss
Lord Paddick
Lord Cashman
Baroness Hunt
Baroness Chakrabati

There are others I'm sure

Luke Pollard the preening MP for Plymouth needs a (dis)honourable mention for his doubling down at every opportunity against women.

His "LGBT breakfasts" became totally trans focussed and really pissed off local lesbians. He refused to let gender critical lesbians speak when he was counter organising against women's meetings and locally he's dismissed and insulted women that have tried to calmly discuss issues around trending children and women's rights.

Anyone paying attention to local gossip and graffiti will have their own thoughts about Mr Pollard....

Swashbuckled · 12/04/2024 21:12

@InvisibleDuck

I agree with you about this; it is both shocking and chilling.

I offer psychotherapy to (only) women in the NHS. At the point of referral to the service they are all asked if they have a preference as to whether they see a man or a woman (even for assessment) and this is entered into their notes and respected. This is absolutely essential with women who have experienced trauma at the hands of men. And completely unethical to insist otherwise.

Was the trainer who explained this protocol male or female @Mirandawrongs ?

DailyEnergyCrisis · 12/04/2024 20:59

The Nursing and Midwifery Council

Clarencefloss · 12/04/2024 20:44

Glenthebattleostrich · 12/04/2024 15:50

Not a sleb but Angela Rayner has refused to apologise and still stands by the trans pledge she made when elected deputy leader. Keir Starmer is still TWAW.

Yeo she is no ally of women or children. She’s stone .

ResisterRex · 12/04/2024 20:43

OvaHere · 12/04/2024 20:20

CQC
Social Work England

Good call. Also:

Ofsted

mrshoho · 12/04/2024 20:35

NoWordForFluffy · 12/04/2024 20:22

Was it Halifax that told customers to go elsewhere on Twitter?

Yes, told customers if they don't support pronouns then they should close their account and take their business elsewhere. It was their 'Ratners' moment. Loads of account holders did just that!

JeannieDark · 12/04/2024 20:26

I know BBC has been mentioned but I think CBBC deserves a special mention.

DirtyDuchess · 12/04/2024 20:23

David Lloyd

InvisibleDuck · 12/04/2024 20:23

Mirandawrongs · 12/04/2024 17:33

Samaritans.

one of they many reasons I left was being told during training that if a woman phoned and wanted to only speak to a woman, she was to be told you are speaking to a Samaritan you can’t pick who. I was supposed to actively find a man for them to talk to.

didn’t apply if a man requested a man.

you also must pronoun and request them when speaking to anyone.

I think this might be the worst one on this thread. A woman in crisis wants to speak to another woman and the policy isn't just that it can't be guaranteed and she gets whichever volunteer is free, but to actively ensure she doesn't get the kind of support she needs.

As someone who once called them when I was in a very dark place (many years ago, long before all the pronoun nonsense) I find this really upsetting. Well done for standing by your principles and leaving.

NoWordForFluffy · 12/04/2024 20:22

Rightsraptor · 12/04/2024 20:21

Santander bank.

Their ATMs used to be emblazoned with The Rainbow all through the year, but they've recently got new machines & The Rainbow is not to be seen anywhere.

I haven't forgotten though.

Was it Halifax that told customers to go elsewhere on Twitter?

JeannieDark · 12/04/2024 20:21

John Oliver

lonelywater · 12/04/2024 20:21

Janina Ramirez. Tragic, as she was my not so secret crush and I thought she had her head screwed on, but, alas, no.......sobs.

Rightsraptor · 12/04/2024 20:21

Santander bank.

Their ATMs used to be emblazoned with The Rainbow all through the year, but they've recently got new machines & The Rainbow is not to be seen anywhere.

I haven't forgotten though.

OvaHere · 12/04/2024 20:20

CQC
Social Work England