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SelfID law passed in German parliament.

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Brefugee · 12/04/2024 15:03

It's done.
636 votes
373 yea
251 nay
11 abstentions

Am going to assume that there will now be a long legal challenge. I want to scream.

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upthehill24 · 12/04/2024 20:59

Re the Germans allowing 14 year olds with no medical assessment to simply register themselves as having changed sex: It is, in a horrible way, all of a piece with the mentality which made Germans set the age of 14 as the age of sexual consent.

GrumpyPanda · 12/04/2024 20:58

upthehill24 · 12/04/2024 20:23

I notice Germany now approves letting 14 year olds 'change sex'. Obviously nobody there heard of Cass. Nor of WARPATH. Nor of other countries which have U turned.

It's worse than that. No parental consent necessary from 14. "Sex change" possible essentially from birth, pace social services' involvement. From age 5 the agreement of the child itself is also required.

DumpsterBaby · 12/04/2024 20:57

Germany has hated women for a while now. With legalised prostitution and now this, I’m pretty sure it’s a haven for misogyny. You would think they would have learned a thing or two in the last 80 years.

mrshoho · 12/04/2024 20:44

Woman2023 · 12/04/2024 15:19

So that's Canada, Spain, Malta, Ireland, Germany where the word woman is meaningless.

Anywhere else?

As of February 2023, gender self-identification, where no judge or medical expert are involved, is part of the law in 20 countries: Argentina, Belgium, Brazil, Chile, Colombia, Costa Rica, Denmark, Ecuador, Finland, Iceland, Ireland, Luxembourg, Malta, New Zealand, Norway, Pakistan, Portugal, Spain, Switzerland and Uruguay

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Belgium - Wikipedia

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belgium

upthehill24 · 12/04/2024 20:23

I notice Germany now approves letting 14 year olds 'change sex'. Obviously nobody there heard of Cass. Nor of WARPATH. Nor of other countries which have U turned.

GrumpyPanda · 12/04/2024 19:46

Chersfrozenface · 12/04/2024 15:41

If they have UK passports they'll need visas.

Unless they can claim asylum in Germany and I don't rate their chances of success too highly. Though I'd love to see one of them try.

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You'll laugh but I've heard of at least one case of an American actually trying that one on. Gutted I'll probably never learn the outcome - it was in the local.paper, but only as part of a feature story on the local "queer" community.

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 12/04/2024 16:11

Germany, of all places (with its Nazi and Stasi past), making it illegal to speak the truth. SMH.

Suzexu · 12/04/2024 16:11

I read something recently explaining the craziness of what was being proposed but of course can’t find it now. Anybody got a link to a post / article? Thanks

Winterborne74 · 12/04/2024 16:00

Crazy that you could face a €10,000 fine for “misgendering”. What an absolute nightmare.

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Brefugee · 12/04/2024 15:59

there was a demo outside German parliament today and online, at least, there is a lot of worry, and a lot of sharing info from TERF accounts in English. The Cass report has been widely shared etc

We will see what happens now. There's an election next year so there is time for some terfery to highlight issues.

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OctopusRule · 12/04/2024 15:56

Is there similar movements of worry that there is here in self ID countries?

Or is it true we’re on. TERF island?

Chersfrozenface · 12/04/2024 15:41

allnewfor2024 · 12/04/2024 15:36

Isn't this good news? All those on Reddit bemoaning the situation in the UK and threatening to leave the country now have another safe haven to choose from.

If they have UK passports they'll need visas.

Unless they can claim asylum in Germany and I don't rate their chances of success too highly. Though I'd love to see one of them try.

allnewfor2024 · 12/04/2024 15:36

Isn't this good news? All those on Reddit bemoaning the situation in the UK and threatening to leave the country now have another safe haven to choose from.

Suzexu · 12/04/2024 15:33

Belgium too?

Snowypeaks · 12/04/2024 15:23

A couple of South American countries as well - Brazil and Argentina...I think.

Woman2023 · 12/04/2024 15:19

So that's Canada, Spain, Malta, Ireland, Germany where the word woman is meaningless.

Anywhere else?

elgreco · 12/04/2024 15:17

Bollix