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Scarlet Blake: I'm now at Stage 2 of BBC complaints procedure

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RogueFemale · 11/04/2024 20:03

They really make you work for it. I've completed the two stages of Stage 1, now I get to escalate to the BBC's Executive Complaints Unit.

The second Stage 1 reply I got today said: "Our previous response pointed to the fact that Scarlet Blake was tried as a woman and the pronoun ‘she’ was used throughout those proceedings. This informed our coverage of the trial, which also referred to Blake being transgender once it became known, and where relevant."

This is my submission to the BBC ECU:

"I am dissatisfied with the response received at Stage 1 of the complaints progress because it failed to explain why your reports failed to make it clear that the man who calls himself Scarlet Blake is a man, i.e. a biological human male with male genitalia.
^^
Many people reading your reports would not have realised that Blake is a biological male with male genitalia, and thought it was a woman who had committed these horrific crimes. (It is, needless to say, vanishingly rare for real women to commit crimes of this nature).

The BBC’s Stage 1 response said that “Blake was tried as a woman and the pronoun ’she’ was used throughout the proceedings”.

“Tried as a woman”? This statement is meaningless. There is no difference to trial procedure based on an adult’s biological sex. It doesn’t explain why you failed to mention the important fact that Blake is a biological male with male genitalia.

The BBC’s Stage 1 response went on to say that “This informed our coverage of the trial, which also referred to Blake being transgender once it became known, and where relevant”.

Blake may wish to use female pronouns, he may 'identify’ as female, and the court and the police may have indulged this fantasy - but it does not change the hard scientific fact that he is a biological human male with male genitalia.

Mentioning that he is purportedly transgender in your reports does not change this hard scientific fact.

Biological fact is inarguably more “relevant” than Blake’s imaginary vagina, and it was highly misleading to the public to make no mention of the fact that Blake is a man.

Lastly, the fact is that regardless of Blake’s purported transgender status, and the use of female pronouns during the trial, he was sent to a men’s prison. Because he’s a man.

You are a news provider and you should present facts, not evade these material facts due to pandering to transgender ideology and gender-woo. This ideology has been exposed as dangerous and harmful by Dr Cass' report this week. In light of the report, I trust the BBC is now reconsidering its position."

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nauticant · 26/04/2024 09:45

deleted, others got there first with explaining about Baroness Nicholson

NameChange0101010101 · 26/04/2024 09:41

I have complained to IPSO about the correct sexing of SB in the press and how it is misleading and damaging to women.

They have dismissed my complaint.

I asked whether they would take action if a media source described a criminal as innocent, if that's how they identify, and if so, how that is any different.

They said they won't comment on hypothetical situations.

So, refusing to explain how they interpret the very guidelines they are supposed to be upholding. I can feel an email to the media Secretary coming on....

Ofcourseshecan · 23/04/2024 23:03

”Against this background, a simple refusal to use the terms in which people who regard themselves as transgender describe themselves would in effect be an endorsement of one viewpoint in this controversy”

Such a weak excuse. Blake also identifies as a cat. So why doesn’t the BBC call him a cat?

Ofcourseshecan · 23/04/2024 22:56

PaleBlueMoonlight · 11/04/2024 20:34

This is great. I think the key point is that Blake is a man and therefore is misrepresenting himself as a women. The moment that the BBC (or any news outlet) realised that they were mistaken as to Blake's sex they should have switched to reporting accurately. The news outlet could also have set out that Blake says that he is a woman. This would have led nicely onto a report about how the court system and police are complicit in the lie and perhaps the BBC could have topped it off with some investigative journalism into why that is.

This sounds like wishful thinking, given the lazy, biased reporting we’ve become used to. But in fact it’s the basic principles of journalism.

Contaminating journalism is far from the worst thing genderwoo has done. But it matters.

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RogueFemale · 23/04/2024 22:25

Thank you very much for the tip.

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NonLinguisticRhetoricIsMyKryptonite · 23/04/2024 22:24

RogueFemale · 23/04/2024 22:23

Which baroness? (sorry don't know, I'm a newbie)

Baroness Nicholson

RogueFemale · 23/04/2024 22:23

lanadelgrey · 23/04/2024 22:22

Does it make sense to ask the Baroness to co-ordinate a push to get figures? It looks like the sort of thing she’d enjoy getting to the bottom of?
Brilliant persistence so far but all hands to the pump.
Sadly I can’t join in with the push but am cheering you on

Which baroness? (sorry don't know, I'm a newbie)

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lanadelgrey · 23/04/2024 22:22

Does it make sense to ask the Baroness to co-ordinate a push to get figures? It looks like the sort of thing she’d enjoy getting to the bottom of?
Brilliant persistence so far but all hands to the pump.
Sadly I can’t join in with the push but am cheering you on

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crunchermuncher · 23/04/2024 21:56

That's interesting. Do they tell you why they 'aren't obliged'?

Someone needs to hold the BBC to account for its stance of this issue especially in the light of Cass. Secretary of State for Media, Culture and Sport?

RogueFemale · 23/04/2024 21:43

I asked how many complaints they'd received re Scarlet Blake reporting.

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RogueFemale · 23/04/2024 21:42

My FOI request to BBC refused.
"If held, the information you have requested is held for the purposes of art, journalism or literature'. The FOI Act provides that the BBC is not obliged to disclose this type of information...'

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RogueFemale · 13/04/2024 21:59

@everythingthelighttouches I am going to exquisitely hone the arguments to Ofcom. I can do it (even though I'm a novice in this field).* I'll post a draft here for comment before I submit.

*There's also massive 'village politics' kicking off back home... le sigh.

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everythingthelighttouches · 13/04/2024 11:49

“Against this background, a simple refusal to use the terms in which people who regard themselves as transgender describe themselves would in effect be an endorsement of one viewpoint in this controversy, and the ECU considers impartiality is best served by the
BBC’s policy of using language and terminology which is clear and appropriate to the context, taking account of the subject and nature of the content."

BBC effectively saying this is a controversy where taking one side (reporting self ID) is fine but taking the other (reporting sex) would be biased.

This point (made by a poster above) is exactly what I think needs to be brought to OffCom.

If they are picking a side, the least the BBC could do is just make a simple, one line explanation at the beginning of their pieces??
Why can’t they just state what they’ve written in their statement??

Why can’t the BBC start their piece explaining that this is a controversial area but this person is identifying as the opposite sex and that therefore throughout the article, the BBC will use the pronouns chosen by the person.

especially in relation to rape and other violent crime as biological sex is an important driver of these crimes!!!

highame · 13/04/2024 11:14

There's another issue with the BBC. It is now pushing into the US market and the BBC (funded by us), may well find itself in difficulties with Democrats, many of whom are fully onboard the TransTrain. The BBC may not wish to cause offence or show bias towards GC arguments because this might impact on the capturing of US audiences.

I'd like to know more about how, especially in the light of Cass, the BBC intends to straddle the earth. It's new audiences may well be the metropolitan elites and many have strong views about Gender which may not align with GC views.

Any thoughts?

DuesToTheDirt · 13/04/2024 10:55

Arrgh, just read the ECU response above and now I'm enraged by their use of "she"!

paisley256 · 13/04/2024 10:55

Thank you so much.

DuesToTheDirt · 13/04/2024 10:52

Thanks all, I will go through this thread for pointers when I compose my reply.

crunchermuncher · 13/04/2024 08:55

Thanks to all who are persisting.

I have asked whether if a criminal identifies as innocent the media should describe them as such. If not, why do we allow this? Waiting with bated breath for the wordsalad justification informative reply to wing its way to me.

Ps Blakes imaginary vagina sounds like a band. Maybe prog rock....

borntobequiet · 13/04/2024 08:42

Well done, @RogueFemale. I admire your persistence (and turn of phrase) so much.

RogueFemale · 12/04/2024 19:46

BeyondHumanKenneth · 12/04/2024 19:19

This sentence is key if you can decipher it.

"Against this background, a simple refusal to use the terms in which people who regard themselves as transgender describe themselves would in effect be an endorsement of one viewpoint in this controversy, and the ECU considers impartiality is best served by the
BBC’s policy of using language and terminology which is clear and appropriate to the context, taking account of the subject and nature of the content."

BBC effectively saying this is a controversy where taking one side (reporting self ID) is fine but taking the other (reporting sex) would be biased.

Absolutely stunning that any journalist could produce such a mess of a sentence which completely proves the point they are trying to rebut!

The ECU really don't seem very bright. It would be funny if these decisions weren't so consequential for the future of our national broadcaster whose journalism I once respected.

Yup, it's mealy-mouthed bollocks.

Anyway, FOI now submitted, and then next steps.

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RogueFemale · 12/04/2024 19:44

LipstickLil · 12/04/2024 19:23

Biological fact is inarguably more “relevant” than Blake’s imaginary vagina

Blake's imaginary vagina? I love it! 😆😆😆

Yes I was particularly pleased with that bit, lol!

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LipstickLil · 12/04/2024 19:23

Biological fact is inarguably more “relevant” than Blake’s imaginary vagina

Blake's imaginary vagina? I love it! 😆😆😆

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