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Labour infighting over trans issues reignited by Cass Review

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IwantToRetire · 11/04/2024 01:43

But Rosie Duffield, a Labour MP placed under investigation by the party last year for campaigning against gender ideology, pointed out that women who had exposed the scandal had been “blanked, sidelined and dismissed” by male leaders simply for speaking up.

And feminist Julie Bindel demanded an apology from Mr Streeting for failing to support her gender-critical views when he was president of the National Union of Students.

In reply to Ms Bindel’s accusation, Mr Streeting replied: “From memory (16 years on, so correct me if I’m wrong!) I replied to confirm that you weren’t on NUS’ no platform policy and as this was in relation to a motion passed by the autonomous women’s campaign I was not empowered to overturn it (not least as a male president!).”

This prompted Ms Duffield to retweet the (Les Streeting) statement, with the message: “To the many women blanked, sidelined, dismissed by male leaders when speaking up and exposing this for years.”

And Ms Bindel wrote: “Glad to see you are now openly critical of the gender ideology that led to the atrocities against children outlined in the Cass report.

“I am open to accepting an apology from you. In 2008, when you were NUS president, I was no-platformed alongside five fascist groups for ‘transphobia’.

“I contacted you and asked for your help. You gave none. I asked you to condemn those that had orchestrated the no-platforming, and you refused.

“Have you any idea of the reputational damage this caused me? How it gave others permission to no-platform, denounce and defame me?
“How it meant that I could be slandered by other organisations, and so many, many universities around the UK and elsewhere? If this sounds bitter then good, because I am.”

To this message, Ms Duffield said: “Thank you for leading us all here Julie. Without you, most of us wouldn’t have had a clue what had been happening to children who were far too young to have the critical faculties or agency to consent.”

Extracts not full article in Telegraph https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/04/10/labour-infighting-over-trans-issues-reignited-cass-review/

Also at https://archive.ph/IfNp8

Earlier thread about Wes Streeting https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5047018-wes-streeting-labour-shadow-health-secretary-pledges-support-for-the-cass-reviews-evidence-led-recommendations-and-our-determination-to-put-childrens-health-and-wellbeing-above-the-political-fray

Labour women tear into Wes Streeting as Cass report ignites fresh trans row

MP Rosie Duffield and author Julie Bindel call out shadow health secretary over failure by male leaders to listen to gender-critical women

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/04/10/labour-infighting-over-trans-issues-reignited-cass-review

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literalviolence · 12/04/2024 23:46

AdamRyan · 12/04/2024 23:38

Labour have not been in power for almost 15 years - any action to "remove all protections for them as a sex class" happened under the Tories.

It's very clear you want a conservative government, just own it instead of smearing the opposition.

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Yes you did Adam. Yes you bloody did. And yes I'm triggered by your aggressive argumentative disrespectful and fact free style. Stop putting words in my mouth. it's a shit thing to do.

NoWordForFluffy · 12/04/2024 23:45

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WTAF?! You literally just said this: 'It's very clear you want a conservative government, just own it instead of smearing the opposition.'

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 12/04/2024 23:45

AdamRyan · 12/04/2024 23:40

Please explain how that is relevant to the point that starmer is misogynist? He's neither in power, nor in charge of rape support organisations

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He could say, "This is terrible and shouldn't be happening. When I am in power I will ensure that rape crisis centres provide both single sex support to women who need it as well as support for trans people."

literalviolence · 12/04/2024 23:44

AdamRyan · 12/04/2024 23:40

Please explain how that is relevant to the point that starmer is misogynist? He's neither in power, nor in charge of rape support organisations

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Good god are you following this at all? you said that women are not denied rape supports
That's blatantly false. I'm responding to what you're saying. It might help if you tried to do the same.

AdamRyan · 12/04/2024 23:44

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NoWordForFluffy · 12/04/2024 23:43

AdamRyan · 12/04/2024 23:42

What "hideous allegations" are you talking about?? I'm sticking to facts Confused

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Facts? Your interpretation of what you read is rarely factual.

I'm intrigued whether it's deliberate or your comprehension is just woeful.

literalviolence · 12/04/2024 23:43

AdamRyan · 12/04/2024 23:42

What "hideous allegations" are you talking about?? I'm sticking to facts Confused

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You know as a fact that I want a Conservative government do you? Are you magic Meg or something then?

literalviolence · 12/04/2024 23:42

NoWordForFluffy · 12/04/2024 23:37

Increasingly so.

The misreading / misinterpreting / misunderstanding / responding to something which isn't in the post being responded to. None of it aids debate or adds anything substantive to it.

Frustrating and probably a deliberate attempt to stifle debate.

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And then the 'you just want a conservative government' idiotic comment. I think we've just moved from.no debate to no sensible or respectful debate. It's pathetic.

AdamRyan · 12/04/2024 23:42

literalviolence · 12/04/2024 23:40

You do not know. you do not know how I want to vote and you need to stop throwing out your hideous allegations. You're deflecting because you can't defend Kier and it's as good as an admission that he in fact is a misogynist.

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What "hideous allegations" are you talking about?? I'm sticking to facts Confused

NoWordForFluffy · 12/04/2024 23:41

AdamRyan · 12/04/2024 23:38

Labour have not been in power for almost 15 years - any action to "remove all protections for them as a sex class" happened under the Tories.

It's very clear you want a conservative government, just own it instead of smearing the opposition.

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Oh Jesus wept. That fucking stupid comment again.

It's astoundingly rude to make such allegations just because you don't like people criticising your preferred party. Ridiculous, childish, behaviour. Standard though.

NoWordForFluffy · 12/04/2024 23:40

CranfordScones · 12/04/2024 23:38

We're not even close to the end of the first chapter.

Labour grassroots are held in a vise-like grip by those who robotically chant: Trans men are men. Trans women are women. Trans rights are human rights.

There's no critical thinking involved. That's the problem with Labour. And those activists aren't going to have a Damascene conversion just because someone's written a report.

My problem with Labour throughout my entire voting life is how '6th form politics' they are. Petty, sniping, purity spirals, inability to hold coherent debate.

Not one of the uber Labour supporters on MN persuades me that my interpretation is wrong!

AdamRyan · 12/04/2024 23:40

literalviolence · 12/04/2024 23:38

Look at what's happened at the rape centre in Edinburgh which denied support to women and then didn't even signpost them to the actual single sex centre. Women are suffering. Denying that is horrible.

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Please explain how that is relevant to the point that starmer is misogynist? He's neither in power, nor in charge of rape support organisations

literalviolence · 12/04/2024 23:40

AdamRyan · 12/04/2024 23:38

Labour have not been in power for almost 15 years - any action to "remove all protections for them as a sex class" happened under the Tories.

It's very clear you want a conservative government, just own it instead of smearing the opposition.

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You do not know. you do not know how I want to vote and you need to stop throwing out your hideous allegations. You're deflecting because you can't defend Kier and it's as good as an admission that he in fact is a misogynist.

literalviolence · 12/04/2024 23:38

literalviolence · 12/04/2024 23:36

Women have been denied rape support and its fucking shit to deny that reality. Really truly shitty behaviour. It makes.my blood boil when people don't check their privilege. Have you read about iamsarah? do that before spouting these lies.

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Look at what's happened at the rape centre in Edinburgh which denied support to women and then didn't even signpost them to the actual single sex centre. Women are suffering. Denying that is horrible.

AdamRyan · 12/04/2024 23:38

literalviolence · 12/04/2024 23:35

See above. We've already answered that. You have to hate women to remove all protections for them as a sex class's and then hound your own female MPs for objecting. As has already been said.

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Labour have not been in power for almost 15 years - any action to "remove all protections for them as a sex class" happened under the Tories.

It's very clear you want a conservative government, just own it instead of smearing the opposition.

CranfordScones · 12/04/2024 23:38

We're not even close to the end of the first chapter.

Labour grassroots are held in a vise-like grip by those who robotically chant: Trans men are men. Trans women are women. Trans rights are human rights.

There's no critical thinking involved. That's the problem with Labour. And those activists aren't going to have a Damascene conversion just because someone's written a report.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 12/04/2024 23:37

AdamRyan · 12/04/2024 23:25

Women have been assaulted by men in prison because the Conservatives chose to put males in females prisons.

Women have been raped by men on NHS wards because the Conservatives presided over mixed sex wards.

Women have not been "denied rape support" but they have been unable to access single sex rape support in some cases. That's a charity decision, not Labour. Meanwhile the Conservatives have presided over a collapse in prosecutions and a several year wait to see their rapist in court.

It's a moot point which party supports women more; but there is no reason to call starmer a misogynist. You are diluting the term and that harms women because it loses its power

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Wouldn't it be wonderful if Starmer came out and condemned these things that have been done to women rather than constantly banging on about how trans people are the most oppressed people in human history?

NoWordForFluffy · 12/04/2024 23:37

literalviolence · 12/04/2024 23:35

It is getting silly isn't it?!

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Increasingly so.

The misreading / misinterpreting / misunderstanding / responding to something which isn't in the post being responded to. None of it aids debate or adds anything substantive to it.

Frustrating and probably a deliberate attempt to stifle debate.

literalviolence · 12/04/2024 23:36

AdamRyan · 12/04/2024 23:25

Women have been assaulted by men in prison because the Conservatives chose to put males in females prisons.

Women have been raped by men on NHS wards because the Conservatives presided over mixed sex wards.

Women have not been "denied rape support" but they have been unable to access single sex rape support in some cases. That's a charity decision, not Labour. Meanwhile the Conservatives have presided over a collapse in prosecutions and a several year wait to see their rapist in court.

It's a moot point which party supports women more; but there is no reason to call starmer a misogynist. You are diluting the term and that harms women because it loses its power

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Women have been denied rape support and its fucking shit to deny that reality. Really truly shitty behaviour. It makes.my blood boil when people don't check their privilege. Have you read about iamsarah? do that before spouting these lies.

literalviolence · 12/04/2024 23:35

NoWordForFluffy · 12/04/2024 23:26

Here we go again. 🥱 🥱 🥱

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It is getting silly isn't it?!

literalviolence · 12/04/2024 23:35

AdamRyan · 12/04/2024 23:25

What is your evidence he "hates women"?

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See above. We've already answered that. You have to hate women to remove all protections for them as a sex class's and then hound your own female MPs for objecting. As has already been said.

NoWordForFluffy · 12/04/2024 23:26

Here we go again. 🥱 🥱 🥱

AdamRyan · 12/04/2024 23:25

literalviolence · 12/04/2024 23:15

Don't you be ridiculous. This conversation is about whether he's a misogynist, not who is responsible for the shit being thrown at women right now. Although, as opposition leader he has sway and is choosing to use it to support male privilege so absolving him of all responsibility is a bit naive. I guess you're trying to move on from defending Kier againt misogyny allegations because, well, you can't.

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What is your evidence he "hates women"?

AdamRyan · 12/04/2024 23:25

NoWordForFluffy · 12/04/2024 23:13

Try reading it again; you're misrepresenting what was said.

The post said '...disgusting comments like this are why women have been assaulted by men in their prison, raped by men in nhs women's wards and denied rape support. It is a man deciding that those things matter less than the feelings of men.' Not that Starmer was directly responsible, but that he's of an ilk that are / were.

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Women have been assaulted by men in prison because the Conservatives chose to put males in females prisons.

Women have been raped by men on NHS wards because the Conservatives presided over mixed sex wards.

Women have not been "denied rape support" but they have been unable to access single sex rape support in some cases. That's a charity decision, not Labour. Meanwhile the Conservatives have presided over a collapse in prosecutions and a several year wait to see their rapist in court.

It's a moot point which party supports women more; but there is no reason to call starmer a misogynist. You are diluting the term and that harms women because it loses its power

literalviolence · 12/04/2024 23:15

AdamRyan · 12/04/2024 23:09

Don't be ridiculous.
Labour are not in power. Any harm to women in the public estate is the Conservatives problem. They are in charge. Any negative impact on vulnerable women is down to them.

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Don't you be ridiculous. This conversation is about whether he's a misogynist, not who is responsible for the shit being thrown at women right now. Although, as opposition leader he has sway and is choosing to use it to support male privilege so absolving him of all responsibility is a bit naive. I guess you're trying to move on from defending Kier againt misogyny allegations because, well, you can't.