Labour infighting over trans issues reignited by Cass Review

The "sex class of women" is already invalidated - trans women have been using women's spaces for years and years. The GRA is a legal instrument that invalidates the sex class of women and no party is proposing repealing it.

Based on that, the implication is that all politicians are misogynists. As well as all members of the public who don't actively support repealing the GRA. Basically anyone apart from a small number of GC campaigners.

My opinion is that effectively weakens the meaning of "misogynist" to the point it is meaningless. Which is definitely beneficial to some people, but is bad for women as it takes away a useful word to describe what men do to us.

Invalidating the sex class of women in favour of a new one including women and men, is misogyny.
If Star doesn't want to look like a misogynist, he should have a word with his mouth and stop saying misogynistic stuff.

they use Soviet style tactics
😂what?? I cannot even imagine what this means...

Can I check I understand the rest of your post - are you basically saying all politicians are corrupt and you think people should give the Tories some credit for being openly corrupt?

There's generally a problem finding people to be councillors. I don't think the constant attacks on politicians at all levels and "they are all as bad as each other" helps at all. You would need to be very thick skinned to go into politics at the moment which means its probably not attracting the people it needs to (I.e. people who want to do the best for their communities vs. People who want to be in charge and make it all about them)

Anyone who doesn’t reject the ideology is a misogynist.

This is a ridiculous level of generalisation. It is similar to if I said "anyone who doesn't reject Reform is a racist". Which I wouldn't, because it would be offensive, over generalising and generally very rude. So how come you think it is OK to say that?

There is no evidence Starmer is a misogynist, in fact the opposite is true. He did a lot for women when he was DPP and the current Labour policies as outlined at conference are squarely focussed on improving things for women in this country.

Maybe save calling people misogynists for actual misogynists. People like Frank Hester for example.

Because Labour is full of self serving politicos. They are as after lining their own nest as much as the Tories and they use Soviet style tactics.
At least the Torirs are open about it non of this mealy mouthed , for the benefit of the most vulnerable crap about trans.
At least the stories allow free speech, and the ones like Sunak are actually decent people.

I'm afraid I see it differently.

The Conservatives have been in power for 14 years. It's not been great. People are fed up. They can't fight the election on the basis of their fantastic record in government.

But luckily for them, the leader of the opposition has said that a woman can have a penis, so obviously they're going to take advantage of that and say, "Yeah OK we're shit, but look at that guy, do you really want someone who thinks a woman can have a penis running the country?"

The real question is, why the fuck are Labour saying these things?

The Opposition should hold to account. This means in relation to both what's happening and what's proposed.

Therefore, if Labour had wanted the Tories to do something about women's rights, they could easily have said something / challenged the status quo.

Labour have been in OPPOSITION for yonks.

The job of opposition is to hold the government to account.

Not just electioneer for themselves!

The lack of a robust opposition is a massive problem in lots of councils. Manchester City (staunchly Labour) is an embarrassing shitshow of cronyism, just like the Tory government is.

Literally anything I post winds people up! The only excuse last night for making such a clanger and missing what I already said was I was under the influence 😂

I've read back though and think I did OK in the circumstances!

For whatever reason, your dogged style of discussion really winds people up, so a lighthearted ‘scuse the typos I’m pissed’ followed by ‘what does that mean’ about someone else’s typos is going to irritate.

Especially when those typos were easy to decipher! Not like when your phone decides to type utter fucking gibberish instead of what's intended.

Good grief. The Conservatives have not proposed anything to oppose in this area.

Lee Anderson said last year that the Conservatives should fight the election on "culture wars and trans debate".

Other political parties would need their heads read to let the incumbent party dictate what's discussed to suit their election strategy. So of course Labour are steering clear.

If the Conservatives put forward a change to legislation then Labour could oppose it. It seems to be taking Badenoch ages to mull it over though.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/lee-anderson-tories-election-trans-b2282185.html

I think mentioning you’re pissed in the middle of a heated political discussion is a bit impolitic, to be honest.

For whatever reason, your dogged style of discussion really winds people up, so a lighthearted ‘scuse the typos I’m pissed’ followed by ‘what does that mean’ about someone else’s typos is going to irritate.

<wry smile>

Do you not remember the Friday night drunk threads? Or the Bluestocking?
I was just drinking wine while I was posting. On a Friday. Its pretty common I think 😂

Good morning

Had a banging chat with DH about this today. We will once more be cancelling out each other’s vote, but in the other direction from usual!

Well, exactly. When does Starmer ever miss an opportunity to condemn the Tories for shit that happened on their watch?

But unfortunately for him, even if he privately agrees that women should be entitled to single sex rape crisis support, he has a problem. Not only would saying so make it clear he doesn't believe trans women are women, he would also be perceived as showing less empathy towards a trans woman who has been raped and needs rape counselling than his party has consistently shown to trans women who have committed rape.

How do you square that circle?

You can't, obviously.

Best to just say nothing and hope nobody notices.

A piece by Mary Harrington on the inherent conflict between the provision of gender 'care' on demand in the context of a socialised health system ( NHS) - and the realities of social solidarity on which Left politics is predicated:

https://open.substack.com/pub/reactionaryfeminist/p/antisocialised-medicine?r=clsg2&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email

We all know it would've been worse under Labour as they'd have been gung ho about progressing trans rights.

The Tories have seemingly been asleep at the wheel rather than actively pushing it, from what I can tell.

This is it isn't it? The question that none of them can answer. If it is so bad and happened on the Tories' watch then why are Labour not committing to undoing it all?

😂

Yes I completely agree.

If only @AdamRyan had a friend like Peter Tatchell to snatch his glass away and give him the "I think you've had enough, dear" admonishment.