Labour infighting over trans issues reignited by Cass Review

Claiming I mean something other than what I wrote, by taking it out of context and then telling me I'm disgusting as posters were doing last night, is misrepresentation and twisting.

If you think I'm misrepresenting you, give me examples. I don't think I have. I've disagreed or asked questions but I haven't said "fluffy says this, she is disgusting"

OK. So as no one is proposing repealing the GRA, that means all politicians then. Including Cates and Badenoch. Gotcha. Makes sense.

It is enabled by every misogynistic politician who tries to change the definition of woman to make men feel better. Including Starmer.

The Tories have been asleep at the wheel in not tearing up or amending those Acts but the current state of play is a direct result of those Acts and Labour know it.

And that's the difference between the parties. The Tories have been usefully complacent during their tenure. Labour would've gone full guns blazing and done it deliberately. An uncomfortable truth for many, it seems.

'And no, I'm not very interested in getting into a bullfight where posters twist my words.'

The irony is strong in this one.

Plus, quoting back your own words and explaining what you've failed to realise actually isn't twisting your words. It's just an explanation of what you're failing to understand. Which is different to when you read something, and then respond to something which hasn't been said, which actually has twisted the writer's words.

Labour are the architects of the two Acts that are the bedrock of all these issues, Acts they frequently tell us all they are proud of. They were warned when GRA was being debated what it would lead to and they dismissed it out of hand. In fact they even admitted at the time it was being debated that it would lead to women having to refer to a TW rapist as 'she' and they didn't fucking care.

The Tories have been asleep at the wheel in not tearing up or amending those Acts but the current state of play is a direct result of those Acts and Labour know it.

You did say women have not been denied rape support Adam. Here. Perhaps re read your offensive, rude, drunken rants and own the nonsense in them.

It's a relief to know that someone thinks you did ok.

Yes it is. Because some women simply can't use them. Which denies them rape support services.

I also haven't said that you're against single sex support services. I've just quoted back to you what you said and explained why the latter leads to the former. So you're actually misrepresenting me.

And really, how dare you complain about misrepresentation when it's your persistent MO on these threads? The utter bloody cheek of it.

No it isn't. The services are there, some women are not using them if they are mixed sex.

And don't try to make out that I'm somehow not in favour of single sex rape support service because that would be bollocks. It is scandalous. However the charities involved are refusing to provide single sex services. It is fuck all to do with Starmer.

But you go ahead and continue with your misrepresentations.

And no, I'm not very interested in getting into a bullfight where posters twist my words.

Keir Starmer is not in government yet. He is not in charge of any rape support centres. It is completely ridiculous to say anything that's happening to women today is down to his "misogyny" which is where this started.

Go and shout at the Tories about it. They've been in power for 14 years, this happened under their watch and they've done nothing. Meanwhile they take money off actual misogynists, have had a prime minister with questions about his own attitudes to women (sexual harassment/domestic violence) and several MPs that have been investigated for rape/sexual assault/watching porn in the commons. Oh and sending dick pics to strangers.

You said this: 'Women have not been "denied rape support" but they have been unable to access single sex rape support in some cases', totally and utterly failing to realise that the latter actually IS the former.

That isn't what I claimed.....

Wonder what David Lammas thinking, ‘dinosaurs hoarding rights’ still the official line?

Yay Rosie and Julie!

A million times this. Labour the so called compassionate, liberal, caring party (unlike those nasty Tories of course) allowing wholesale bullying and intimidation of their own MPs, dismissing women's concerns, joining in with the vitriol against women, telling women not to vote for them, expelling women from the Party, wouldn't even have Karen Ingala-Smith as a Labour Party member.

I’ve reclaimed it. I rather like the fact that you find me revolting, I find the same about your opinions and posting style.

Can we discuss how last night you adamantly claimed that no women were kept out of rape support(s) services?

There is no evidence Starmer is a misogynist, in fact the opposite is true

Absolutely laughable at this point.

Ha! Nope, just continuing the conversation now my head is clear.

By the way, your username is revolting. I would call that misogynistic. I've only ever heard that term used in a very derogatory way by the most misogynistic men.

Desperately trying to change the subject away from the lies you told last night.

I'm not a troll but I am a Starmer supporter, it would be completely normal for people like me to post on threads about Labour. Debate is not "trolling". Also, troll hunting is against Mumsnet guidelines.

Back to attempt to derail after making a complete fool of yourself last night.

The Conservatives have had plenty of opposition on "policies that harm women" - e.g. the rape clause in tax credits
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-39652791.amp

Unfortunately their majority is so huge it doesn't really matter what "opposition" people provide.

I am interested why you think they are "asleep at the wheel" - what legislation that harms women has gone through unopposed?

You miss my point (I should be used to this by now!)

Manchester City Council has NO opposition because it’s almost entirely Labour. There are no shortages of candidates, the borough has over half a million residents and there are only 96 council seats to fill.

The U.K. Conservative governments of the last 10 (or 14 years) have had no opposition on policies that harm women because, why?

I think it’s because Labour (and the Left more generally) has a misogyny problem (no elected female leaders of the Parliamentary Labour Party ever, for starters) but you don’t, you think it’s because what? That Labour aren’t going to bother doing their actual job (being THE OPPOSITION) but are instead just twiddling their thumbs for 14 years until they win a majority again? Please do correct me if you have a different excuse for Labour being asleep at the opposition wheel!

Corbyn was on well on board with May’s plans for Self ID, Starmer is a bit more cautious and fence-sittery but then uses the mother of a murdered teenager to score points against Sunak, to deflect criticism of Starmer’s ‘99.9 women don’t have a penis’ nonsense.

Labour still can't be equivocal about what they believe about women's rights ,
Its Difficult
it's toxic
Both sides
Doesnt come up on the doorstep
TWAW
Most vulnerable
⬆️ does that all sound familiar
reluctantly since CASS we've had a we'll support the report. But really where's the apology
edited for SPAG