Labour infighting over trans issues reignited by Cass Review

I had an almost identical experience with the Labour canvasser who knocked on our door.

I had a good but unproductive discussion with a Labour canvasser last week. I told her I'd voted Labour all my life but that, as things stand, would be unlikely to do so again because of their stance on gender ideology and their attitude to anyone who disagrees.

She listened and was respectful, regretful. even sympathetic, but had nothing to offer to reassure me we were going to get anything further than we're getting now.

Oh and she said it had come up a number of times on doorsteps.

It was before Cass came out which is a shame.

You are so right, even this page has been so much more of an interesting and informative read. Don’t wrestle with pigs etc.
Cold shoulders forward.

Women first, party politics second well actually a hell of a long way down!

Cold shoulder from me going forward.

In the absence of a block poster function, me too.

It's also worth remembering as a general point (not relating to any particular poster) that if someone's posts have a continued anti woman bias, relentlessly criticise other women for amongst other things wrong think, repeatedly describe views and women as right wing bigots etc, then those posters are likely not the women, feminists, mothers, sisters etc that they claim to be (as Mumsnet likes to remind us)

Very much this, yes. And I DO have a poster in mind.

Cold shoulder from me going forward.

I do agree OP. It's also worth remembering as a general point (not relating to any particular poster) that if someone's posts have a continued anti woman bias, relentlessly criticise other women for amongst other things wrong think, repeatedly describe views and women as right wing bigots etc, then those posters are likely not the women, feminists, mothers, sisters etc that they claim to be (as Mumsnet likes to remind us)

If it quacks like a duck and all that..😂

But this is a very busy board and it's inevitable that with so many posters, people sometimes get triggered by bias and want to wade in.

Indeed - I expect both the lib dums and labour have put a big Terf sticker on my address.

Maybe the problem is that too many women are still operating under the sexist notion that women have to be polite, engage and respond to someone who is constantly bothering them.

If I'd said what I really thought, I'd have been deleted and likely banned!

And I seemingly can't help myself when there is so much wrong in posts. 😳

But my point is, it's not like it was even original or innovative. They did the same thing everyone else was doing, roughly when everyone else was doing it, and it turns out it was a bad idea everywhere.

🙈🤣🤣🤣

You can see the fear in their eyes. It's most amusing.

My house is probably blacklisted now, sadly, so I won't get to do it again. 😩

I had one canvasser reverse back down the garden path when I started challenging him about his party's appalling record on all this 😂

I haven't read the full thread so sorry if this has already been mentioned but if London is an indication of what things will like under a Labour government it doesn't inspire much confidence for the protection of the most vulnerable women.

This is about Sadiq Khan's policy on single sex refuges in London. The article is two years old however so perhaps he's changed his policies since then?

https://unherd.com/2022/02/has-sadiq-khan-sacrificed-women/

Also from what I understand from friends in London, VAWG services have been quite significantly cut back since the mayor was elected?

I've not seen anything which is interesting. Although Sunak doesn't seem to have said much either bar a small quote I saw in a Times article. Both seem to be letting their Health Secretaries battle it out. Perhaps that's a strategic decision as at the heart of it is a medical scandal.

Well, I could tell they wished I'd not mentioned it. 🤣

Has KS actually said anything about Cass? Adam has convinced me KS is gutless as well as powerless.

https://reaction.life/cass-made-streeting-backtrack-but-where-is-starmer/
But the party is still planning to reform the Gender Recognition Act to make social transitioning easier, something the Cass review warns against.How seriously does the Labour leader regard women’s rights and the safeguarding of girls?We need to know before we go to the polls because there are senior members of Starmer’s team who remain transgender zealots.

Steady on @NoWordForFluffy
You know no one is talking about it on the doorsteps. Maybe you were pissed and imagined it.

Indeed!

I raised it on the doorstep the other week, along with many other things I was annoyed / concerned about.

If it were true, they wouldn't need to pass a motion saying it.

I agree it is a nonsensical piece of legislation @MissScarletInTheBallroom, however, the current crop of Labour MPs laud it to the skies and state how proud they are that a Labour Party put it on the Statute Books. I make that point to show how very, very, very, unlikely it is that the current Labour Party will do anything to mitigate the adverse impact it has had and continues to have on women, on the contrary they are talking about making it even easier to obtain a GRC. And they won't touch the EqA either they have said so all they mutter about is safe spaces for women ones that will no doubt include the special men version of women with their shiny, easily obtained piece of paper that no-one can ask about.

Our Labour council went so far as to pass a motion that TWAW and TMAM the other year! Idiots.

I'm a traditional Labour supporter. Up until a few years ago, save for a bit of tactical voting, I had voted Labour in every national and local election. However, to suggest that they aren't worse than the Tories on this is bizarre. Yes, the problems of the last few years have happened on the Tories' watch, but this is more to do with their hands-off approach to involvement in both public and private services - including moving the public to the private, which inevitably gives governments less direct influence.

At the same time senior Labour politicians have called relatively mild groups such as WPUK 'hate groups', barred such groups from official conferences, passed multiple motions at a local level up chastising GC orgs, sought to expel GC women from the party etc, etc. Yes they are now shifting, very slowly, and I'm glad, but they're not there yet as recent statements from all over the party in response to Cass make clear.

I completely understand why people are sceptical at best at what they would do in power.