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Labour infighting over trans issues reignited by Cass Review

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IwantToRetire · 11/04/2024 01:43

But Rosie Duffield, a Labour MP placed under investigation by the party last year for campaigning against gender ideology, pointed out that women who had exposed the scandal had been “blanked, sidelined and dismissed” by male leaders simply for speaking up.

And feminist Julie Bindel demanded an apology from Mr Streeting for failing to support her gender-critical views when he was president of the National Union of Students.

In reply to Ms Bindel’s accusation, Mr Streeting replied: “From memory (16 years on, so correct me if I’m wrong!) I replied to confirm that you weren’t on NUS’ no platform policy and as this was in relation to a motion passed by the autonomous women’s campaign I was not empowered to overturn it (not least as a male president!).”

This prompted Ms Duffield to retweet the (Les Streeting) statement, with the message: “To the many women blanked, sidelined, dismissed by male leaders when speaking up and exposing this for years.”

And Ms Bindel wrote: “Glad to see you are now openly critical of the gender ideology that led to the atrocities against children outlined in the Cass report.

“I am open to accepting an apology from you. In 2008, when you were NUS president, I was no-platformed alongside five fascist groups for ‘transphobia’.

“I contacted you and asked for your help. You gave none. I asked you to condemn those that had orchestrated the no-platforming, and you refused.

“Have you any idea of the reputational damage this caused me? How it gave others permission to no-platform, denounce and defame me?
“How it meant that I could be slandered by other organisations, and so many, many universities around the UK and elsewhere? If this sounds bitter then good, because I am.”

To this message, Ms Duffield said: “Thank you for leading us all here Julie. Without you, most of us wouldn’t have had a clue what had been happening to children who were far too young to have the critical faculties or agency to consent.”

Extracts not full article in Telegraph https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/04/10/labour-infighting-over-trans-issues-reignited-cass-review/

Also at https://archive.ph/IfNp8

Earlier thread about Wes Streeting https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5047018-wes-streeting-labour-shadow-health-secretary-pledges-support-for-the-cass-reviews-evidence-led-recommendations-and-our-determination-to-put-childrens-health-and-wellbeing-above-the-political-fray

Labour women tear into Wes Streeting as Cass report ignites fresh trans row

MP Rosie Duffield and author Julie Bindel call out shadow health secretary over failure by male leaders to listen to gender-critical women

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/04/10/labour-infighting-over-trans-issues-reignited-cass-review

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borntobequiet · 14/04/2024 11:00

The trouble is, I think some of them genuinely believe in gender ideology

Yes, it’s faith based, so it bypasses reason. I was taught Biology by a (Cambridge educated) nun who, at the time, was forbidden by the Catholic church to accept Darwin’s theory - so she didn’t (we did evolution in our own time, from the text book). Similarly I was taught Physics by a nun who believed in creation as laid out in the Bible. They both held their understanding of science in parallel with their beliefs, a position of permanent cognitive dissonance that apparently caused them no problems.

Floisme · 14/04/2024 10:46

I kind of wish I thought it was all about money. At least that's a motivation I could understand. The trouble is, I think some of them genuinely believe in gender ideology. And I'm talking about people in senior positions, not nut jobs on social media.

Keeprejoining · 14/04/2024 10:35

@Merrymouse they'll say anything for money. They say the Tories are venal but so are they

Keeprejoining · 14/04/2024 10:34

@Ereshkigalangcleg

Labour infighting over trans issues reignited by Cass Review
Labour infighting over trans issues reignited by Cass Review
Keeprejoining · 14/04/2024 10:33

@Ereshkigalangcleg

Merrymouse · 14/04/2024 10:28

AdamRyan · 13/04/2024 13:12

I am anti gender ideology. But misogyny is not the right word to use for people who support it.

The refusal to engage and listen to women defending their rights is definitely misogyny.

Keeprejoining · 14/04/2024 10:25

I actually think that political parties should be government funded. I think the German system funds pro rata with the number of votes a party receives, but I can see that has its own problems.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 14/04/2024 10:06

And he's a generous donor to the party in general.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 14/04/2024 10:05

Watson funds other Labour MPs too, see my Guido Fawkes link.

Otter2 · 14/04/2024 09:59

It explains a lot about Butler's insane views but I am not sure that she is the brightest person in the world either.

Chersfrozenface · 14/04/2024 09:50

Anthony Watson is the president and chief operating officer of Uphold Inc, an online financial services company whose HQ is in California.

Possibly just your run-of-the-mill misogynistic techbro genderwooster.

Keeprejoining · 14/04/2024 09:48

@IcakethereforeIam good point . I just wish a journalist would get their teeth into it, or even a ITV. drama department

AdamRyan · 14/04/2024 09:47

IcakethereforeIam · 14/04/2024 09:43

Is their any information on the bloke himself? Why is he so invested in pushing trans? How has he made his money?

https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL8N2SY4VZ/

Google is helpful.

You may not like it, but lots of gay people are very sympathetic to trans people. Probably because they have grappled with societies gender based explanations.

Keeprejoining · 14/04/2024 09:46

I wonder why they are willing to pay so much to have MPs spout gender ideology, there's got to be big business behind it

IcakethereforeIam · 14/04/2024 09:43

Is their any information on the bloke himself? Why is he so invested in pushing trans? How has he made his money?

MrsOvertonsWindow · 14/04/2024 09:41

Ereshkigalangcleg · 14/04/2024 09:27

You can see how often Watson features in the register of members' interests here

www.theyworkforyou.com/regmem/?p=11447

Very revealing isn't it?

AdamRyan · 14/04/2024 09:37

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I'm not a Starmer bot. That is very rude.

When you started the thread, did you do it for a debate or did you do it to push an anti-Labour message into your echo chamber?

AdamRyan · 14/04/2024 09:30

Meanwhile millions of dollars of American money flow into shady think thanks that are right at the heart of government policy making and noone even raises an eyebrow.

Or a racist misogynist donates £15million and that's fine too.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 14/04/2024 09:27

You can see how often Watson features in the register of members' interests here

www.theyworkforyou.com/regmem/?p=11447

Ereshkigalangcleg · 14/04/2024 09:19

Specifically about the US trip Watson paid for for Butler:

https://order-order.com/people/anthony-watson/

Top Corbynista Shadow Cabinet member Dawn Butler lived it up on a £14,000 nine-day junket to Los Angeles paid for by a Blairite guru whose company was incorporated in the Cayman Islands. Butler, who has gained something of a reputation for enjoying the high life since taking a job in Jeremy Corbyn’s top team, jetted off to LA last month, where she mingled with the stars on the red carpet at the GLAAD Awards.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 14/04/2024 09:13

There are probably Mumsnet threads about it from the time as well.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 14/04/2024 09:12

Yes I've just posted the same Grin

Keeprejoining · 14/04/2024 09:10

https://gendercriticalwoman.blog/2022/04/05/labour-party-anthony-watson/

here's the link with a the influence Anthony Watson has had o. Labour policy.
im always shocked at how little it's possible to buy someone's morals for.
£30 k and a trip to a ' conference' And they'll say what you want.
Even Angela Rayner allegedly skipping capital gains tax , it wasn't a lot compared to how much she earns, but a Labour member not wanting to pay tax. Tax is what pays for schools and hospitals and benefits.

Labour Party & Anthony Watson

Labour Party Donor and GLAAD who keep a list of Non-Compliant Women like a version of the Rainbow Stasi

https://gendercriticalwoman.blog/2022/04/05/labour-party-anthony-watson/

Ereshkigalangcleg · 14/04/2024 09:08

He paid for Labour MP Dawn Butler to go on a "fact finding" jolly to America a few years ago with GLAAD. The below is forensic about Watson's support of particular figures and the party in general:

gendercriticalwoman.blog/2022/04/05/labour-party-anthony-watson/

Keeprejoining · 14/04/2024 09:03

I saw on another thread a man called Anthony Watson had donated a lot to Labour, he is a supporter of gender not women's rights. I wish I'd saved the link, but I t seems labour MPs like money just as much as the Tories do. I'm going to look for the link now