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Labour infighting over trans issues reignited by Cass Review

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IwantToRetire · 11/04/2024 01:43

But Rosie Duffield, a Labour MP placed under investigation by the party last year for campaigning against gender ideology, pointed out that women who had exposed the scandal had been “blanked, sidelined and dismissed” by male leaders simply for speaking up.

And feminist Julie Bindel demanded an apology from Mr Streeting for failing to support her gender-critical views when he was president of the National Union of Students.

In reply to Ms Bindel’s accusation, Mr Streeting replied: “From memory (16 years on, so correct me if I’m wrong!) I replied to confirm that you weren’t on NUS’ no platform policy and as this was in relation to a motion passed by the autonomous women’s campaign I was not empowered to overturn it (not least as a male president!).”

This prompted Ms Duffield to retweet the (Les Streeting) statement, with the message: “To the many women blanked, sidelined, dismissed by male leaders when speaking up and exposing this for years.”

And Ms Bindel wrote: “Glad to see you are now openly critical of the gender ideology that led to the atrocities against children outlined in the Cass report.

“I am open to accepting an apology from you. In 2008, when you were NUS president, I was no-platformed alongside five fascist groups for ‘transphobia’.

“I contacted you and asked for your help. You gave none. I asked you to condemn those that had orchestrated the no-platforming, and you refused.

“Have you any idea of the reputational damage this caused me? How it gave others permission to no-platform, denounce and defame me?
“How it meant that I could be slandered by other organisations, and so many, many universities around the UK and elsewhere? If this sounds bitter then good, because I am.”

To this message, Ms Duffield said: “Thank you for leading us all here Julie. Without you, most of us wouldn’t have had a clue what had been happening to children who were far too young to have the critical faculties or agency to consent.”

Extracts not full article in Telegraph https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/04/10/labour-infighting-over-trans-issues-reignited-cass-review/

Also at https://archive.ph/IfNp8

Earlier thread about Wes Streeting https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5047018-wes-streeting-labour-shadow-health-secretary-pledges-support-for-the-cass-reviews-evidence-led-recommendations-and-our-determination-to-put-childrens-health-and-wellbeing-above-the-political-fray

Labour women tear into Wes Streeting as Cass report ignites fresh trans row

MP Rosie Duffield and author Julie Bindel call out shadow health secretary over failure by male leaders to listen to gender-critical women

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/04/10/labour-infighting-over-trans-issues-reignited-cass-review

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pickledandpuzzled · 11/04/2024 19:13

AdamRyan · 11/04/2024 19:03

Oh pickled i was going to @ you as you said you didn't know about the Duffield thing.

What motivations would those be? The ones where people can have a balanced conversation about harm to children being prevented, without making it all about "culture wars" (to quote the health sec)? Because that would be my motivation, yes.

I thanked your post when I saw it.

You do seem obsessed with defending Labour and blaming/criticising the Tories.

I’m neither, but have noticed how remarkably badly labour behaved over this, and am amazed the women will even consider working with them again. I’d need a bloody good apology to give them an ounce of my attention.

Otter2 · 11/04/2024 19:11

Yes I have to admit that I had no idea people could be so fucking stupid - the whole genderist movement has been a massive eye opener on that front.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 11/04/2024 19:09

literalviolence · 11/04/2024 18:27

Which is why we need adults to challenge the nonsense about,'wrong bodies' and 'wrong puberty'. Males go through male puberty. That's not 'wrong' even if you don't like it.

Indeed. The lack of intelligence of those advocating for the transitioning and sterilisation of children are so worrying

AdamRyan · 11/04/2024 19:08

Rude.
I am as entitled to post here as anyone.

IwantToRetire · 11/04/2024 19:07

Watch out derailers about!

Dont get diverted.

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BezMills · 11/04/2024 19:05

What motivations would those be?

From your posts, defend Labour, slag off KJK, attempt to break record for TLDR

AdamRyan · 11/04/2024 19:03

Oh pickled i was going to @ you as you said you didn't know about the Duffield thing.

What motivations would those be? The ones where people can have a balanced conversation about harm to children being prevented, without making it all about "culture wars" (to quote the health sec)? Because that would be my motivation, yes.

pickledandpuzzled · 11/04/2024 18:57

Your underlying motives are showing again, Adam.

AdamRyan · 11/04/2024 18:50

Otter2 · 11/04/2024 18:48

Adam it really is so tiresome - same old shit on every thread. 🙄

It would be nice to see a more balanced debate instead of the same tired "but Labour!!!!" posts at every opportunity, I agree.

I see from another thread that KB is 🤐. Despite being minister for equalities. She does take her time to take a position though.

Otter2 · 11/04/2024 18:48

Adam it really is so tiresome - same old shit on every thread. 🙄

AdamRyan · 11/04/2024 18:47

OvaHere · 11/04/2024 17:07

Labour stoked ‘culture of intimidation’ over trans issues, health secretary says

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/201e3ecb-9e56-4bc6-9f1a-4c10c4e0f6d1?shareToken=53349257e8665ada6a13cf6e7941c641

Oh dear god.
So Hilary Cass says "polarisation on all sides" has made her job much harder than it needed to be, and the Health Secretary decides the right response is....more polarisation. Well done. Slow hand clap.

AdamRyan · 11/04/2024 18:45

Datun · 11/04/2024 17:52

I don't know about the KJK snubbing, either. But, as my grandmother used to say, I'm sure she'll live.

However, I'm bloody glad that Julie Bindel is holding Streeting's feet to the fire.

She sounds fuming. I'm fucking fuming.

There's nothing in that Cass report that women haven't been yelling from the rooftops for years.

Stopping children's puberty, rendering them infertile, and ruining their future sex lives, isn't some fucking esoteric byproduct that no one knew about.

We all knew! The doctors knew. Streeting knew. There's nothing not to know.

Fucking cowardly weasels saw a bandwagon with votes written on it and jumped.

I hope she burns their feet off.

Why so cross with Labour, when the Conservatives have been in power for the duration of the medicalisation of children?

The Conservatives seem to be getting off scot free for the whole debacle. It's weird.

Otter2 · 11/04/2024 18:44

Sorciere1 · 11/04/2024 18:07

It was churlish, now the 'head girls' hope to get back into Labour's fold since the odds are they will clearly win the election and want to cozy up to those in power whilst Kellie-Jae and Julia Long will never return and critique away. I have so much respect for them!

Yes me too.

AdamRyan · 11/04/2024 18:42

For people who haven't seen it

https://x.com/ThePosieParker/status/1778029565098484151

Lots of women appear to be mainly pissed off that Rosie Duffield didn't name check KJK.

Because why celebrate an end to unnecessary medical procedures on children when you can engage in some feminist in-fighting?

FrancescaContini · 11/04/2024 18:42

“Wrong puberty” OMFG 🤦‍♀️

literalviolence · 11/04/2024 18:27

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/04/2024 08:04

"There should probably be a moratorium on forcing children to go through the wrong puberty" according to the latest from Reddit Labour.

Which is why we need adults to challenge the nonsense about,'wrong bodies' and 'wrong puberty'. Males go through male puberty. That's not 'wrong' even if you don't like it.

Crankywiddershins · 11/04/2024 18:14

Datun · 11/04/2024 17:52

I don't know about the KJK snubbing, either. But, as my grandmother used to say, I'm sure she'll live.

However, I'm bloody glad that Julie Bindel is holding Streeting's feet to the fire.

She sounds fuming. I'm fucking fuming.

There's nothing in that Cass report that women haven't been yelling from the rooftops for years.

Stopping children's puberty, rendering them infertile, and ruining their future sex lives, isn't some fucking esoteric byproduct that no one knew about.

We all knew! The doctors knew. Streeting knew. There's nothing not to know.

Fucking cowardly weasels saw a bandwagon with votes written on it and jumped.

I hope she burns their feet off.

This! One thousand times.

Datun · 11/04/2024 18:12

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/04/2024 18:05

Because it's almost identical to the crap spouted by Action for Trans Health who the government actually asked for a written submission to their equality report (it's not the same group, is it Eresh?).

It's the Scottish branch. By the style of the writing I suspect TRA poet Harry Josephine Giles had a hand in it.

The infamous Jess Bradley was the main player in the English branch and gave an oral submission to the government Trans Equality Inquiry back in 2015/16.

Dear God. Do not say Jess Bradley and oral submission in the same sentence.

Datun · 11/04/2024 18:11

MrsOvertonsWindow · 11/04/2024 18:02

I go from elation that Cass has confirmed what women have been saying on here for years to rage at the culpability of so many - especially politicians. The ability of the U I politicians, (useful idiots) to ignore this massive medical scandal in favour of pandering to an unhinged minority is quite frightening

I agree. Their souls are up for sale and they don't care who knows it. I guess they think everyone's soul is a commodity.

I've just listened to David Bell.

And they so fucking aren't.

Crankywiddershins · 11/04/2024 18:10

FrancescaContini · 11/04/2024 08:07

That list of unrealistic/ unhinged demands isn’t too far off a young child stamping their foot and demanding that “I will have ice cream for breakfast and I will watch whatever I want and I will play in the snow in bare feet” on and on…

Haha. I was thinking the other day that the reason "no debate" failed so miserably was that they tried it on women who were mothers and knew exactly how to deal with temper tantrums. It's a shame we didn't send them all to bed early in 2014!

Sorciere1 · 11/04/2024 18:07

Otter2 · 11/04/2024 18:00

I agree with you. It was churlish of RD not to even give KJK a passing nod but I guess she is not part of the Left wing gang. She is bloody great though and brought this shit to very many people's attention.

It was churlish, now the 'head girls' hope to get back into Labour's fold since the odds are they will clearly win the election and want to cozy up to those in power whilst Kellie-Jae and Julia Long will never return and critique away. I have so much respect for them!

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/04/2024 18:05

Because it's almost identical to the crap spouted by Action for Trans Health who the government actually asked for a written submission to their equality report (it's not the same group, is it Eresh?).

It's the Scottish branch. By the style of the writing I suspect TRA poet Harry Josephine Giles had a hand in it.

The infamous Jess Bradley was the main player in the English branch and gave an oral submission to the government Trans Equality Inquiry back in 2015/16.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 11/04/2024 18:02

Datun · 11/04/2024 17:57

You'd think, wouldn't you, that this sort of unhinged drivel would've given our politicians a clue.

Because it's almost identical to the crap spouted by Action for Trans Health who the government actually asked for a written submission to their equality report (it's not the same group, is it Eresh?).

Politicians have to pick. Either they're as thick as shit, or they don't give a shit.

There's no third choice.

I go from elation that Cass has confirmed what women have been saying on here for years to rage at the culpability of so many - especially politicians. The ability of the U I politicians, (useful idiots) to ignore this massive medical scandal in favour of pandering to an unhinged minority is quite frightening

Otter2 · 11/04/2024 18:00

StephanieSuperpowers · 11/04/2024 08:47

Nobody needs to be in thrall to anyone, but I think, even if you disagree with KJK on some issues, she deserves some respect for her courage. Let Women Speak has been utterly revolutionary for some women and she has never been intimidated into stopping.

I agree with you. It was churlish of RD not to even give KJK a passing nod but I guess she is not part of the Left wing gang. She is bloody great though and brought this shit to very many people's attention.

Datun · 11/04/2024 17:58

Oh, I think it is the same group. I didn't actually click on the link.

Gave evidence to the government, for Maria Miller's 'equality' report.

Maria Miller, who said that women who objected, were 'purporting to be feminists'.