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Labour infighting over trans issues reignited by Cass Review

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IwantToRetire · 11/04/2024 01:43

But Rosie Duffield, a Labour MP placed under investigation by the party last year for campaigning against gender ideology, pointed out that women who had exposed the scandal had been “blanked, sidelined and dismissed” by male leaders simply for speaking up.

And feminist Julie Bindel demanded an apology from Mr Streeting for failing to support her gender-critical views when he was president of the National Union of Students.

In reply to Ms Bindel’s accusation, Mr Streeting replied: “From memory (16 years on, so correct me if I’m wrong!) I replied to confirm that you weren’t on NUS’ no platform policy and as this was in relation to a motion passed by the autonomous women’s campaign I was not empowered to overturn it (not least as a male president!).”

This prompted Ms Duffield to retweet the (Les Streeting) statement, with the message: “To the many women blanked, sidelined, dismissed by male leaders when speaking up and exposing this for years.”

And Ms Bindel wrote: “Glad to see you are now openly critical of the gender ideology that led to the atrocities against children outlined in the Cass report.

“I am open to accepting an apology from you. In 2008, when you were NUS president, I was no-platformed alongside five fascist groups for ‘transphobia’.

“I contacted you and asked for your help. You gave none. I asked you to condemn those that had orchestrated the no-platforming, and you refused.

“Have you any idea of the reputational damage this caused me? How it gave others permission to no-platform, denounce and defame me?
“How it meant that I could be slandered by other organisations, and so many, many universities around the UK and elsewhere? If this sounds bitter then good, because I am.”

To this message, Ms Duffield said: “Thank you for leading us all here Julie. Without you, most of us wouldn’t have had a clue what had been happening to children who were far too young to have the critical faculties or agency to consent.”

Extracts not full article in Telegraph https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/04/10/labour-infighting-over-trans-issues-reignited-cass-review/

Also at https://archive.ph/IfNp8

Earlier thread about Wes Streeting https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5047018-wes-streeting-labour-shadow-health-secretary-pledges-support-for-the-cass-reviews-evidence-led-recommendations-and-our-determination-to-put-childrens-health-and-wellbeing-above-the-political-fray

Labour women tear into Wes Streeting as Cass report ignites fresh trans row

MP Rosie Duffield and author Julie Bindel call out shadow health secretary over failure by male leaders to listen to gender-critical women

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/04/10/labour-infighting-over-trans-issues-reignited-cass-review

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MissScarletInTheBallroom · 11/04/2024 21:34

And another.

Labour infighting over trans issues reignited by Cass Review
MissScarletInTheBallroom · 11/04/2024 21:33

@Datun

Labour infighting over trans issues reignited by Cass Review
Otter2 · 11/04/2024 21:30

AdamRyan · 11/04/2024 21:22

I think if you think Starmer is a "massive misogynist" you've had a sheltered life 😂

You clearly cannot see the misogyny in denying that women are a sex class all of their own. I consider it to be misogyny on steroids.

I imagine that in your limited world view, Starmer is a wonderful progressive feminist. 🙄

TheBanffie · 11/04/2024 21:27

Anyone seen any response from Scottish Labour or the SNP to the Cass Report? As health is devolved the Sandyford clinic is still supplying puberty suppressants to children (according to the BBC).

Datun · 11/04/2024 21:24

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/04/2024 20:51

Here's Reddit Labour's nuanced, totally hinged take

www.reddit.com/r/LabourUK/s/39iRjymiHw

Bloody hell

AdamRyan · 11/04/2024 21:22

Otter2 · 11/04/2024 21:13

Any man (Kier) that claims that 1% of women have penises is a giant wanker and also a giant misogynist.

I think if you think Starmer is a "massive misogynist" you've had a sheltered life 😂

Otter2 · 11/04/2024 21:18

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/04/2024 20:51

Here's Reddit Labour's nuanced, totally hinged take

www.reddit.com/r/LabourUK/s/39iRjymiHw

Batshit crazy.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 11/04/2024 21:16

😂
Poor old Labour. Outed as being on the wrong side of history over safeguarding children - so embarrassing.
Still - that golden bridge is getting busy and if they can park their Misogynist Tendency somewhere remote and windy they might be able to creep back to sanity and we can start voting for them again.

KellieJaysLapdog · 11/04/2024 21:15

pickledandpuzzled · 11/04/2024 21:04

wow I really must vote for them. They are clearly just the folk to run the country.

TBF I don’t think anyone on the LabourUK subreddit is actually a Labour voter let alone a Labour member, it’s more of a ‘WeHateLabourUK’ subreddit.

Otter2 · 11/04/2024 21:13

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 11/04/2024 20:14

They don't make a violin tiny enough..

😂

Otter2 · 11/04/2024 21:13

AdamRyan · 11/04/2024 19:38

Oh for goodness sake. Hyperbole much. Their leader is not an "out and out misogynist".

Any man (Kier) that claims that 1% of women have penises is a giant wanker and also a giant misogynist.

pickledandpuzzled · 11/04/2024 21:04

wow I really must vote for them. They are clearly just the folk to run the country.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/04/2024 20:51

Here's Reddit Labour's nuanced, totally hinged take

www.reddit.com/r/LabourUK/s/39iRjymiHw

Datun · 11/04/2024 20:46

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 11/04/2024 19:31

Wes Streeting being ripped to shreds by TRAs on Twitter for saying he regrets saying trans women are women.

Do you have any screenshots MissScarlet?

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 11/04/2024 20:14

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 11/04/2024 19:31

Wes Streeting being ripped to shreds by TRAs on Twitter for saying he regrets saying trans women are women.

They don't make a violin tiny enough..

literalviolence · 11/04/2024 19:41

AdamRyan · 11/04/2024 19:38

Oh for goodness sake. Hyperbole much. Their leader is not an "out and out misogynist".

Oh my goodness, denial of reality much! He bloody well is. You have to be to say that women can have penises, to pretend that 'both sides are as bad as each other', to support the erosion of women's rights and to treat one of your own MPs in such a disgusting way just because she dares to speak up for women. But you do you. Some people don't want to see what's in front of their noses.

AdamRyan · 11/04/2024 19:38

literalviolence · 11/04/2024 19:35

Well obviously she's not using that term to shut women down, she's objecting to those who have tried to shut women down. Everything she says apart from 'the culture wars' is clearly true. Labour have behaved appallingly. Their leader is an out and out misogynist and they've treated Rosie Duffield disgustingly. They've tried to shut down any view which does not support male privilege. They have created a culture of intimidation and they've tried to make out that anyone standing up for women is creating 'culture wars'. It's time to drop that term entirely and start behaving like decent adults.

Oh for goodness sake. Hyperbole much. Their leader is not an "out and out misogynist".

pickledandpuzzled · 11/04/2024 19:36

KellieJaysLapdog · 11/04/2024 19:24

99% of Labour can cock off, along with 99% of the Tories, 99% of Greens and all of the Lib Dems.

Hard agree! A plague on both your houses!

But not the House of Lords. They’ve done sterling work.

Individual women have held the line here, working in all their different ways, with the support of a few men like Glinner and Mr Menno.

I’m going to take this opportunity to thank every woman that patiently, furiously, calmly, or in the case of JKR graciously, put time, energy and money into this fight.

And to all those who’ve been battered and bruised by it.

It isn’t over. But it’s moving the right way.

Well done every last one of you.

literalviolence · 11/04/2024 19:35

AdamRyan · 11/04/2024 19:31

I agree. Not sure why Victoria Atkins raised it.

She [VA] told Sky News: “Labour has spent the last ten years trying to shut women up when it comes to this. They have been part of the ideology, the culture wars, creating an atmosphere of intimidation for anyone who dared to question this ideology.

I wish she hadn't though because Cass said these attitudes are part of the problem.

Well obviously she's not using that term to shut women down, she's objecting to those who have tried to shut women down. Everything she says apart from 'the culture wars' is clearly true. Labour have behaved appallingly. Their leader is an out and out misogynist and they've treated Rosie Duffield disgustingly. They've tried to shut down any view which does not support male privilege. They have created a culture of intimidation and they've tried to make out that anyone standing up for women is creating 'culture wars'. It's time to drop that term entirely and start behaving like decent adults.

NoWordForFluffy · 11/04/2024 19:33

KellieJaysLapdog · 11/04/2024 19:24

99% of Labour can cock off, along with 99% of the Tories, 99% of Greens and all of the Lib Dems.

I agree! There is just nobody to vote for (we only tend to have those 4 parties standing here).

BezMills · 11/04/2024 19:33

Cass : A Haiku

Labour were shocking
KJK was a legend
Brevity exists

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 11/04/2024 19:31

Wes Streeting being ripped to shreds by TRAs on Twitter for saying he regrets saying trans women are women.

AdamRyan · 11/04/2024 19:31

literalviolence · 11/04/2024 19:22

Using 'culture wars' dogma to shut women down and try to invalidate their points is boring to be honest. What's a meaningful definition of culture war which separates it out from people refusing to roll over when people treat vulnerable people badly (e.g. arguing that males should be welcomed into ladies loos)? People speaking up against racism, homophobia, abelism or religious discrimination are not stoking culture wards and neither are people speaking up against others who are trying to erode women's rights.

I agree. Not sure why Victoria Atkins raised it.

She [VA] told Sky News: “Labour has spent the last ten years trying to shut women up when it comes to this. They have been part of the ideology, the culture wars, creating an atmosphere of intimidation for anyone who dared to question this ideology.

I wish she hadn't though because Cass said these attitudes are part of the problem.

KellieJaysLapdog · 11/04/2024 19:24

99% of Labour can cock off, along with 99% of the Tories, 99% of Greens and all of the Lib Dems.

literalviolence · 11/04/2024 19:22

Using 'culture wars' dogma to shut women down and try to invalidate their points is boring to be honest. What's a meaningful definition of culture war which separates it out from people refusing to roll over when people treat vulnerable people badly (e.g. arguing that males should be welcomed into ladies loos)? People speaking up against racism, homophobia, abelism or religious discrimination are not stoking culture wards and neither are people speaking up against others who are trying to erode women's rights.