Labour infighting over trans issues reignited by Cass Review

He admits it's a u turn in that he says he said something and he shouldn't have. Not sure you can spin that in any other way. What's blinkered about that?

It is not a U turn, he's been with us for ages.
People have not noticed because they are too fixated on left/right divides. It's ridiculously blinkered.

Your refusal to answer that question is screaming volumes. It's a simple question. Why not bother to answer it. Kier's already shown that he will mess with the meaning of words in order to futher male privilege but you're sure he's not done that this time. Why? Where's the evidence?

I think some people redefine misogyny so that this, and his treatment of Rosie isn't it. In the same vein, I guess as we redefine woman to mean 'anyone who wants to call themselves a woman'. Smoke and mirrors.

Obviously don't answer that if you're now wanting to share, you are entitled to privacy but if you haven't, perhaps reflect on the different opinions of the women you're mocking here.

Thats's a revolting thing to say to people who've suffered harms at the hands of men and therefore object to people trying to let males with special feelings into women's spaces. Personally I think you've led a privileged and sheltered life if you can't see the version of misogyny which Kier has perfected and if you think a male should ever be allowed in a space which is for women. It's not all out and out men saying 'women belong in the kitchen'. The subtle middle class version of putting women down which Kier shows is as impactful. All this nonsense that he protects women's safe spaces whilst he's still not reversed on his 'but women can be those people who have penises' means he should not be trusted to run a school fayre raffle let alone anything of substance. I'm saying this as someone who has suffered at the hands of men. Have you?

Starmer has actually done more for women than your average feminist ally

What exactly has he done for women, as a sex class?
What is “your average feminist ally” and what have or have they not done?

Is there some actual meaning in that statement?

What I take from Wes Streeting's U-turn is that he/Labour have decided that appealing to TRAs is not an electoral advantage.

Well maybe he DOES recognise women as a sex class but in Starmer world, that sex class includes men so...

Mate, he said 1% of women have a penis.

I have written to Wes streeting to say, basically, that I really appreciated his acknowledgement that his previous views were overly simplistic, as this is pretty rare nowadays.

I didn't give him or the Labour Party too much praise and I did suggest that they might want to reflect on this more widely (both the previous denials of predominantly female voices and on issues such as conversion therapy), but I did want to ensure that he gets messages of support that feel more positive and constructive than what he will get from the TRA side.

If he just gets crucified for having bothered at all, then others in his party will be watching.

Starmer has actually done more for women than your average feminist ally.

Like his cowardly lack of support or provision of any assistance to Rosie Duffield? Or his lack of action or indeed any comment about the appalling behaviour of Lloyd Russell Moyle towards female MPs on both sides of the House, is that what you mean?

You’re right, of course it’s easy to see

The rest of the quote shows it. It’s what many have been saying on here correctly

She [VA] told Sky News: “Labour has spent the last ten years trying to shut women up when it comes to this. They have been part of the ideology

creating an atmosphere of intimidation for anyone who dared to question this ideology.

Any man who claims that 99% of women don't have a penis or instructs people not to say "only women have a cervix" does not recognise woman as a sex class.

People need to have higher expectations when politicians tell lies like this.

Adam, we have to ask, because all of the words have been redefined.

If he's using the word female the same way India Willoughby uses it, or the way the Gender Recognition Act uses it for that matter, his definition of a woman as an adult female is fucking meaningless.

Streeting has been GC for ages. Because he actually talked to women as requested.
I feel bad he's getting a pasting from all sides, he's been a big advocate in Labour.

🙄i can't even really be bothered. It's fine to distrust him but it's not accurate to call him a misogynist and say he doesn't recognise women as a sex class.

There is sooo much reverse ferreting going on, I think the world might start spinning in the opposite direction.

And what does he think female means?

Thank you!

Starmer says woman = adult female. Which is not "denying they are a sex class".

Starmer has actually done more for women than your average feminist ally.

Streeting once again taking advice from the "How to influence nobody and make enemies" playbook. That statement just pisses off everyone on either side of the argument. He should have said that either Transwomen are women (pro tip-they aren't) or they are not. Fuckwit.

Also - if he has said 'I was wrong to say that all transwomen are women' he has left the door open somewhat to still being able to say that 'some transwomen are women', no? The pretty ones maybe? The non-rapey ones perhaps?

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