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Labour infighting over trans issues reignited by Cass Review

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IwantToRetire · 11/04/2024 01:43

But Rosie Duffield, a Labour MP placed under investigation by the party last year for campaigning against gender ideology, pointed out that women who had exposed the scandal had been “blanked, sidelined and dismissed” by male leaders simply for speaking up.

And feminist Julie Bindel demanded an apology from Mr Streeting for failing to support her gender-critical views when he was president of the National Union of Students.

In reply to Ms Bindel’s accusation, Mr Streeting replied: “From memory (16 years on, so correct me if I’m wrong!) I replied to confirm that you weren’t on NUS’ no platform policy and as this was in relation to a motion passed by the autonomous women’s campaign I was not empowered to overturn it (not least as a male president!).”

This prompted Ms Duffield to retweet the (Les Streeting) statement, with the message: “To the many women blanked, sidelined, dismissed by male leaders when speaking up and exposing this for years.”

And Ms Bindel wrote: “Glad to see you are now openly critical of the gender ideology that led to the atrocities against children outlined in the Cass report.

“I am open to accepting an apology from you. In 2008, when you were NUS president, I was no-platformed alongside five fascist groups for ‘transphobia’.

“I contacted you and asked for your help. You gave none. I asked you to condemn those that had orchestrated the no-platforming, and you refused.

“Have you any idea of the reputational damage this caused me? How it gave others permission to no-platform, denounce and defame me?
“How it meant that I could be slandered by other organisations, and so many, many universities around the UK and elsewhere? If this sounds bitter then good, because I am.”

To this message, Ms Duffield said: “Thank you for leading us all here Julie. Without you, most of us wouldn’t have had a clue what had been happening to children who were far too young to have the critical faculties or agency to consent.”

Extracts not full article in Telegraph https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/04/10/labour-infighting-over-trans-issues-reignited-cass-review/

Also at https://archive.ph/IfNp8

Earlier thread about Wes Streeting https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5047018-wes-streeting-labour-shadow-health-secretary-pledges-support-for-the-cass-reviews-evidence-led-recommendations-and-our-determination-to-put-childrens-health-and-wellbeing-above-the-political-fray

Labour women tear into Wes Streeting as Cass report ignites fresh trans row

MP Rosie Duffield and author Julie Bindel call out shadow health secretary over failure by male leaders to listen to gender-critical women

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/04/10/labour-infighting-over-trans-issues-reignited-cass-review

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Keeprejoining · 12/04/2024 15:00

What is clear is that the Tories were listening. It's a under Sunak that the reports have been published, and various government bodies have quietly left Stonewall.
Even Boris Johnson is GC and had said so.

Crankywiddershins · 12/04/2024 14:56

For those not on twitter Sarah Sultana MP said

"The Cass Review has provoked significant debate and concern.

I believe the focus must be on ensuring everyone – including young trans people – has access to the healthcare they need.

To achieve this, we must understand the context in which this review is published.

For example, a UN expert recently noted "deep concern" about "increased bias-motivated incidents of harassment, threats & violence against LGBT people" in the UK.

They said "the toxic nature of the public debate surrounding sexual orientation & gender identity” was to blame

Transphobic hate crimes hit a record high last year.

This hatred is spread by the politicians and the powerful – just think of Rishi Sunak's recent transphobic jibe at PMQs while Brianna Ghey's mother was in Parliament.

So as well as having concerns about the Review – though I believe some recommendations could be positive – I also believe there must be a collective emphasis on combating transphobia.

We will only provide the care everyone needs if we respect the rights and dignity of all."

Crankywiddershins · 12/04/2024 14:51

On the subject of the labour party's disarray
https://twitter.com/zarahsultana/status/1778458290663391413

https://twitter.com/zarahsultana/status/1778458290663391413

Vod · 12/04/2024 14:43

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 12/04/2024 11:00

If you think about it, it's not contradictory at all.

They're losing the support of zealots with strong opinions about fringe issues, because they're trying to appeal to the silent majority of people who just want to live in a sensible country.

I think I can't remember where I read it, that the membership tended to be disproportionately concentrated in the safer Labour seats, rather than more closely fought ones. Meaning that people leaving the party and presumably then staying at home/protest voting are less likely to be able to make a difference anyway.

They probably will lose a smattering of seats over Gaza, but not enough to have any real impact, even if its still going on by the GE. And I can't see the trans activists having even that relatively low level of influence. There aren't too many people who care enough to change their vote because of it, and they'd have to live at concentration even if there were.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 12/04/2024 13:58

Otter2 · 12/04/2024 13:08

Streeting behaved appallingly. I would love to believe in his change of heart but suspect he is just hoping to be seen as the new PM and is MUCH smarter than Starmer so he can see which way the wind is blowing.

Ultimately I have a very low opinion of politicians and have decided that I care more about what they actually do than about what their motivations are.

I'd rather elect a complete arsehole who implements policies I agree with for the wrong reasons than a nice person who implements terrible policies for the right reasons.

If Wes Streeting is now identifying as gender critical because he wants to be the heir to Blair, fine, whatever, I'll vote for that.

But not until it's clear that that's what I'm voting for.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 12/04/2024 13:49

Crankywiddershins · 12/04/2024 13:20

@MissScarletInTheBallroom

I think Wes Streeting is also now reading the writing on the wall and realising that Keir "1% of women have a penis" Starmer, Lisa Nandy, Angela Rayner, Nadia Whittome, David Lammy, Stella Creasy and all the others who have said absolutely batshit insane things and dismissed all non-believers as bigots do not have the backing of the public.

I hope you don't mind that I've edited your post for amusement clarity.

Lisa "trans women are women [and] should be in the prison of their choosing" Nandy.

Angela "it doesn't matter [if trans double rapist Isla Bryson] has a penis" Rayner.

Nadia "unrepentant transphobes [etc.]" should be expelled" Whittome.

David "dinosaurs hoarding rights" Lammy.

Stella "a woman can have a penis" Creasy.

Hah!

That's how I originally started typing out that sentence but decided it was too long.

KellieJaysLapdog · 12/04/2024 13:48

RebelliousCow · 12/04/2024 13:22

Yes, I'm aware of the above. -just haven't been able to find any recent info. I suspect, as someone has said, he's already detransitioned and is now going by another name.

Edited

Brother, Connor was still tweeting up til 2023:
https://x.com/madigan_smurf looks like most of his connections are bots but there could be a bread crumb trail to LM’s new self if anyone can be asked to look for it.

2018 is so quaint-looking, from here in 2024.

2 of these ‘transwomen’ have been embroiled in sexual abuse scandals and the 3rd currently works for one of the trans led ‘pilot’ GICs that NHS England will
now be looking into.

Labour infighting over trans issues reignited by Cass Review
lifeturnsonadime · 12/04/2024 13:24

Mmmm the reverse ferreting of Streeting goes no where near far enough for me.

As Datun said upthread he and they all knew what Cass was going to say because they'd been told by women.

And still many of them, Whittome and Rayner, are coming out with pro-trans anti/ woman/ children statements. Surely after all this they still don't believe in the 'wrong puberty'?

RebelliousCow · 12/04/2024 13:22

Yes, I'm aware of the above. -just haven't been able to find any recent info. I suspect, as someone has said, he's already detransitioned and is now going by another name.

KnitFastDieWarm · 12/04/2024 13:21

Crankywiddershins · 12/04/2024 08:03

Labour has been losing women for ages. I think the 23000 lost recently will be mostly about Israel/Gaza. Since they are overwhelmingly the same people as the trans women are women brigade labour has decided to ditch them as a lost cause. Hence their new stance.

I suspect you might be bang on with this!

Crankywiddershins · 12/04/2024 13:20

@MissScarletInTheBallroom

I think Wes Streeting is also now reading the writing on the wall and realising that Keir "1% of women have a penis" Starmer, Lisa Nandy, Angela Rayner, Nadia Whittome, David Lammy, Stella Creasy and all the others who have said absolutely batshit insane things and dismissed all non-believers as bigots do not have the backing of the public.

I hope you don't mind that I've edited your post for amusement clarity.

Lisa "trans women are women [and] should be in the prison of their choosing" Nandy.

Angela "it doesn't matter [if trans double rapist Isla Bryson] has a penis" Rayner.

Nadia "unrepentant transphobes [etc.]" should be expelled" Whittome.

David "dinosaurs hoarding rights" Lammy.

Stella "a woman can have a penis" Creasy.

Otter2 · 12/04/2024 13:16

Vile creep.

AdamRyan · 12/04/2024 13:15

I swing between thinking they are still Lily but off all SM due to being an idiot, and they've detransed and changed name but still somewhere harassing women for kicks

AdamRyan · 12/04/2024 13:14

Liam Madigan

IURC he sued/tried to sue his school when he transitioned for not letting him change with the girls 🤮

RebelliousCow · 12/04/2024 13:12

OvaHere · 12/04/2024 11:10

My favourite unsubstantiated personal theory is that Madigan ditched the pinafores for a grey suit and is now a trainee accountant in somewhere like Slough and his fellow grey suits have no idea he once trolled women for fun with she/her pronouns.

What was his name before the 'transition' - anyone know?

Otter2 · 12/04/2024 13:10

Datun · 12/04/2024 10:12

Way back when all this started, Blair apparently told labour not to go down the TWAW route. That they would be getting it wrong.

Blair is still so much more politically savvy than Starmer.

Otter2 · 12/04/2024 13:08

Datun · 12/04/2024 10:03

Specifically Wes Streeting, wasn't it? Cosying up with that Lily Madigan on a secret Facebook group, to make a list of women to dismiss. Venice Allen taped her interview, where she was summoned to the headmasters office, to be told she was expelled.

Streeting behaved appallingly. I would love to believe in his change of heart but suspect he is just hoping to be seen as the new PM and is MUCH smarter than Starmer so he can see which way the wind is blowing.

AdamRyan · 12/04/2024 12:07

OvaHere · 12/04/2024 10:57

In some respects losing members won't necessarily be a bad thing for them. It can be freeing. I think they tripled their membership under Corbyn because they reduced the cost to a few quid for a time. With that sort of membership base a party can suffer from a form of audience capture.

The Tories have never had very high membership numbers but then again they have had large political donors - another form of capture. No perfect solution but Labour losing memberships probably won't have much bearing on whether they can win an election.

Not entirely true. https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2014/sep/29/labour-conservatvies-uk-party-membership-is-tiny

Historically the Conservatives have had many more members. Probably why they were able to be more successful at understanding people's needs and appealing to the electorate.

Party membership in the UK is tiny

The SNP is now the UK’s third largest political party, but overall party membership in the UK remains tiny when compared to other countries in Europe. Several parties in the EU have more members than Labour, the Conservatives and the Lib Dems combined

https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2014/sep/29/labour-conservatvies-uk-party-membership-is-tiny

AGlinnerOfHope · 12/04/2024 11:11

<happysigh>

OvaHere · 12/04/2024 11:10

KellieJaysLapdog · 12/04/2024 11:05

Yeah.
The black pinafore dress/outgrown roots look is from Lily’s 2017/2018 heyday.
As far as I can tell there have been no photos of LM since the sexual harassment allegations were made by a fellow goldsmiths student?

My favourite unsubstantiated personal theory is that Madigan ditched the pinafores for a grey suit and is now a trainee accountant in somewhere like Slough and his fellow grey suits have no idea he once trolled women for fun with she/her pronouns.

AVindicationOfFeminists · 12/04/2024 11:09

Thank God Cass has been published before labour get in power. It gives us a glimmer of hope that they won’t be able to push through legislation that needs stopping.

House of Lords will help.

I might name change again. AGlinnerOfHope has a certain ring to it…

KellieJaysLapdog · 12/04/2024 11:05

Ereshkigalangcleg · 12/04/2024 10:26

That photo is ancient.

Yeah.
The black pinafore dress/outgrown roots look is from Lily’s 2017/2018 heyday.
As far as I can tell there have been no photos of LM since the sexual harassment allegations were made by a fellow goldsmiths student?

Labour infighting over trans issues reignited by Cass Review
Labour infighting over trans issues reignited by Cass Review
Labour infighting over trans issues reignited by Cass Review
MissScarletInTheBallroom · 12/04/2024 11:00

NoWordForFluffy · 12/04/2024 08:30

Yes, that's true re Gaza / Israel.

It just seems very contradictory to be flying high in the polls, but also consistently losing your members.

I am looking forward to the manifestos, it has to be said, as Labour will have to pin their flag to the mast and we should get a clear idea about what they're actually thinking.

If you think about it, it's not contradictory at all.

They're losing the support of zealots with strong opinions about fringe issues, because they're trying to appeal to the silent majority of people who just want to live in a sensible country.