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Labour infighting over trans issues reignited by Cass Review

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IwantToRetire · 11/04/2024 01:43

But Rosie Duffield, a Labour MP placed under investigation by the party last year for campaigning against gender ideology, pointed out that women who had exposed the scandal had been “blanked, sidelined and dismissed” by male leaders simply for speaking up.

And feminist Julie Bindel demanded an apology from Mr Streeting for failing to support her gender-critical views when he was president of the National Union of Students.

In reply to Ms Bindel’s accusation, Mr Streeting replied: “From memory (16 years on, so correct me if I’m wrong!) I replied to confirm that you weren’t on NUS’ no platform policy and as this was in relation to a motion passed by the autonomous women’s campaign I was not empowered to overturn it (not least as a male president!).”

This prompted Ms Duffield to retweet the (Les Streeting) statement, with the message: “To the many women blanked, sidelined, dismissed by male leaders when speaking up and exposing this for years.”

And Ms Bindel wrote: “Glad to see you are now openly critical of the gender ideology that led to the atrocities against children outlined in the Cass report.

“I am open to accepting an apology from you. In 2008, when you were NUS president, I was no-platformed alongside five fascist groups for ‘transphobia’.

“I contacted you and asked for your help. You gave none. I asked you to condemn those that had orchestrated the no-platforming, and you refused.

“Have you any idea of the reputational damage this caused me? How it gave others permission to no-platform, denounce and defame me?
“How it meant that I could be slandered by other organisations, and so many, many universities around the UK and elsewhere? If this sounds bitter then good, because I am.”

To this message, Ms Duffield said: “Thank you for leading us all here Julie. Without you, most of us wouldn’t have had a clue what had been happening to children who were far too young to have the critical faculties or agency to consent.”

Extracts not full article in Telegraph https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/04/10/labour-infighting-over-trans-issues-reignited-cass-review/

Also at https://archive.ph/IfNp8

Earlier thread about Wes Streeting https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5047018-wes-streeting-labour-shadow-health-secretary-pledges-support-for-the-cass-reviews-evidence-led-recommendations-and-our-determination-to-put-childrens-health-and-wellbeing-above-the-political-fray

Labour women tear into Wes Streeting as Cass report ignites fresh trans row

MP Rosie Duffield and author Julie Bindel call out shadow health secretary over failure by male leaders to listen to gender-critical women

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/04/10/labour-infighting-over-trans-issues-reignited-cass-review

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NoWordForFluffy · 12/04/2024 23:13

AdamRyan · 12/04/2024 23:09

Don't be ridiculous.
Labour are not in power. Any harm to women in the public estate is the Conservatives problem. They are in charge. Any negative impact on vulnerable women is down to them.

Try reading it again; you're misrepresenting what was said.

The post said '...disgusting comments like this are why women have been assaulted by men in their prison, raped by men in nhs women's wards and denied rape support. It is a man deciding that those things matter less than the feelings of men.' Not that Starmer was directly responsible, but that he's of an ilk that are / were.

AdamRyan · 12/04/2024 23:09

literalviolence · 12/04/2024 23:00

He changes the definition of women such that women get no protection, no actual women only spaces. Words have an impact and disgusting comments like this are why women have been assaulted by men in their prison, raped by men in nhs women's wards and denied rape support. It is a man deciding that those things matter less than the feelings of men. If you genuinely cared about vulnerable women you could not say that. He's vile. He's misogynistic.

Don't be ridiculous.
Labour are not in power. Any harm to women in the public estate is the Conservatives problem. They are in charge. Any negative impact on vulnerable women is down to them.

Otter2 · 12/04/2024 23:07

AdamRyan · 12/04/2024 22:21

No. How is any of that "hating women"?

Please explain to me how saying anything about penises and cervixes is hate? They are body parts, not a crime scene. There is nothing inherently insulting about it.

My opinion is he is wrong, but it is not misogynistic.

Denying that women are a sex class which does not include men? Trying to stop women talking about their bodies without referencing men? I consider this to be misogyny. Starmer is a misogynist or he would never contemplate coming out with such rot.

Lefty male misogyny has been a very prominent feature of the trans horror show - twats like JOB or LOJ relishing the chance to really squash some uppity women and feel virtuous whilst doing it. Starmer may not be quite so openly gleeful about it but he has still been there mouthing the platitudes to the TRAs and chucking women and girls under the bus.

https://thecritic.co.uk/keir-starmer-should-apologise-to-women/

Keir Starmer should apologise to women | Shonagh Dillon | The Critic Magazine

It will be hard to restore trust after years of denigration…

https://thecritic.co.uk/keir-starmer-should-apologise-to-women

literalviolence · 12/04/2024 23:00

AdamRyan · 12/04/2024 22:21

No. How is any of that "hating women"?

Please explain to me how saying anything about penises and cervixes is hate? They are body parts, not a crime scene. There is nothing inherently insulting about it.

My opinion is he is wrong, but it is not misogynistic.

He changes the definition of women such that women get no protection, no actual women only spaces. Words have an impact and disgusting comments like this are why women have been assaulted by men in their prison, raped by men in nhs women's wards and denied rape support. It is a man deciding that those things matter less than the feelings of men. If you genuinely cared about vulnerable women you could not say that. He's vile. He's misogynistic.

EasternStandard · 12/04/2024 22:56

NoWordForFluffy · 12/04/2024 22:48

Here's the results from a very quick Google search. It was everywhere.

Thanks I didn’t think it was weird it was there

NoWordForFluffy · 12/04/2024 22:48

AdamRyan · 12/04/2024 22:41

Oh I assumed it was relevant to the quoted thread. My bad. I'm not au fait with everything said on TwiX

Here's the results from a very quick Google search. It was everywhere.

Labour infighting over trans issues reignited by Cass Review
Labour infighting over trans issues reignited by Cass Review
Labour infighting over trans issues reignited by Cass Review
AdamRyan · 12/04/2024 22:48

Yep. Its a great report. Shocking that it wasn't done before they started transitioning children.

Well done Keira Bell and "Mrs A" for raising awareness and making the government take it seriously. Total Sheroes

EasternStandard · 12/04/2024 22:44

AdamRyan · 12/04/2024 22:23

Noone said "noone is talking about it" Confused That's a bit weird.

Not seen you on here for a bit, hope you are good.

I’m great thanks have been away. Not yet back but had avoided SM. Really happy to see the Cass review I think it will impact

I liked this last para in the NHS England response to Dr Cass

‘Can we once again thank you and your team for stepping up to lead such a complex review. Your final report will not just shape the future of healthcare in this country for children and young people experiencing gender distress but will be of major international importance and significance.’

My bold

NoWordForFluffy · 12/04/2024 22:42

AdamRyan · 12/04/2024 22:41

Oh I assumed it was relevant to the quoted thread. My bad. I'm not au fait with everything said on TwiX

It wasn't just TwiX. It was across the MSM and has been referenced on here many, many, many (ad infinitum) times since.

NoWordForFluffy · 12/04/2024 22:41

EasternStandard · 12/04/2024 22:40

Thanks for quote I was sure it was said

It definitely was; we've all referred to it loads!

AdamRyan · 12/04/2024 22:41

NoWordForFluffy · 12/04/2024 22:27

Yes, they did.

Oh I assumed it was relevant to the quoted thread. My bad. I'm not au fait with everything said on TwiX

EasternStandard · 12/04/2024 22:40

NoWordForFluffy · 12/04/2024 22:27

Yes, they did.

Thanks for quote I was sure it was said

NoWordForFluffy · 12/04/2024 22:38

My local councillor nigh-on ran away from me when I started to talk about it. I think 'nobody' refers to Labour Party reps (because they're too scared!).

MrsOvertonsWindow · 12/04/2024 22:37

NoWordForFluffy · 12/04/2024 22:27

Yes, they did.

Yes - that's been the response to so many women raising it on the doorstep - nobody's talking about it.
Well we have been talking and now everyone's talking about it. Meanwhile these utter fools have sold children and women down the river by signing up to a lie - that people can change sex.
And instead of being responsible, thoughtful and looking at the evidence labour politicians they joined the howling mobs, bullying and shouting down women and abandoning safeguarding children cos they signed up to the wrong side of history.

And now they want our votes back...

NoWordForFluffy · 12/04/2024 22:27

AdamRyan · 12/04/2024 22:23

Noone said "noone is talking about it" Confused That's a bit weird.

Not seen you on here for a bit, hope you are good.

Yes, they did.

Labour infighting over trans issues reignited by Cass Review
AdamRyan · 12/04/2024 22:23

EasternStandard · 12/04/2024 19:52

And the ‘no one is talking about it’ defiection

The tactic was to dismiss any concern from women.

Noone said "noone is talking about it" Confused That's a bit weird.

Not seen you on here for a bit, hope you are good.

AdamRyan · 12/04/2024 22:21

Otter2 · 12/04/2024 18:55

I do not understand how you cannot see that it is absolutely misogyny to suggest that men with penises are women as Starmer has done. How about when he said that it is 'wrong and shouldn't be said' that only women have a cervix? Is that not misogyny either? 🙄

No. How is any of that "hating women"?

Please explain to me how saying anything about penises and cervixes is hate? They are body parts, not a crime scene. There is nothing inherently insulting about it.

My opinion is he is wrong, but it is not misogynistic.

literalviolence · 12/04/2024 22:21

Otter2 · 12/04/2024 19:01

I found it extremely distasteful and tone deaf of Sunak to make that comment. No "second hand offence" about it. Sunak should be clever enough to moderate his comments depending on the circumstances. It was very poorly judged I thought

I am sorry that you find it 'distasteful' that Sunak takes the piss out of the fact that Starmer thinks that 1% of women have a penis. Never mind. Anyone who spouts ludicrous and offensive bullshit like that deserves nothing but derision.

And as to you point that Sunak should moderate his comments - why? If you are suggesting it's because Brianna's mother was in the chamber (she wasn't btw) then where does that end? Politicians' speech should never be swayed by who is sitting in there watching them for obvious reasons.

Finally I did not see this as a 'transphobic' comment - the issue is about women. Starmer is a fool who has backed himself in to a corner over the definition of what a woman is - that did not need to happen.

If politicians should be swayed by whoever is in the chamber, the given that women are the oppressed majority and given how many women recognise the misogyny of 'TWAW', 'women can have penises', no politician should ever utter them. Lets remember how many women's lives have been dramatically marred by men - violence, rape, intimidation, sexual assault. Is the issue that Sunak was flippant rather than the point he made? In which case lets come down as heavily on an politician who make a flippant anti-woman point.

GailBlancheViola · 12/04/2024 21:32

AdamRyan · 12/04/2024 10:09

7 years ago! When Corbyn was running the party and Maria Miller in Theresa May's government was proposing self ID!

It's a different world now, thanks to feminists but also a change of leadership in both parties.

Labour have form for these nasty secret groups remember Gordon Brown's attack dog Damien McBride? Seems it is a feature not bug with Labour.

OvaHere · 12/04/2024 19:56

KellieJaysLapdog · 12/04/2024 19:33

Esther Ghey (who I have come to believe is a rather admirable woman) video-met with Sunak after Starmer’s embarrassing posturing (pretending Ghey was in the spectator balcony when she wasn’t in the building yet).

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/brianna-gheys-brave-mum-esther-32248571.amp

Seems a bit weird to be offended over something that didn’t happen and that Ghey herself was able to put aside.

(Parliamentary remark made on Feb 7th, meeting between Ghey and Sunak reported in press on 29th Feb and March 1st. I believe it actually took place earlier that week, so sometime in the last week of Feb).

As an aside I very much agree with Esther Ghey re: smartphone/social media limits for teens (whether that be via Ghey’s suggestion of specifically created handsets and software or Jonathan Haidt’s idea of pledging to not give a child a smartphone until they are 16 and getting as many parents of classmates on board as possible. Long term the Social Media companies need to be forced to deploy algorithms more responsibly).

Hence my point about people like Sultana using 2nd hand offence to deflect from the findings of the Cass Report that she would rather people shut up about.

EasternStandard · 12/04/2024 19:52

Otter2 · 12/04/2024 18:55

I do not understand how you cannot see that it is absolutely misogyny to suggest that men with penises are women as Starmer has done. How about when he said that it is 'wrong and shouldn't be said' that only women have a cervix? Is that not misogyny either? 🙄

And the ‘no one is talking about it’ defiection

The tactic was to dismiss any concern from women.

KellieJaysLapdog · 12/04/2024 19:33

Esther Ghey (who I have come to believe is a rather admirable woman) video-met with Sunak after Starmer’s embarrassing posturing (pretending Ghey was in the spectator balcony when she wasn’t in the building yet).

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/brianna-gheys-brave-mum-esther-32248571.amp

Seems a bit weird to be offended over something that didn’t happen and that Ghey herself was able to put aside.

(Parliamentary remark made on Feb 7th, meeting between Ghey and Sunak reported in press on 29th Feb and March 1st. I believe it actually took place earlier that week, so sometime in the last week of Feb).

As an aside I very much agree with Esther Ghey re: smartphone/social media limits for teens (whether that be via Ghey’s suggestion of specifically created handsets and software or Jonathan Haidt’s idea of pledging to not give a child a smartphone until they are 16 and getting as many parents of classmates on board as possible. Long term the Social Media companies need to be forced to deploy algorithms more responsibly).

Brianna Ghey's brave mum Esther holds talks with Rishi Sunak after trans jibe

Esther Ghey, whose daughter Brianna was murdered, had a 'positive' video call with Prime Minister Rishi Sunak about her campaign over teenagers' access to social media

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/brianna-gheys-brave-mum-esther-32248571.amp

BackToLurk · 12/04/2024 19:29

Just popped in to big up Tonia Antoniazzi if no one has already.

As you were.

BezMills · 12/04/2024 19:28

It is FINE

Star Kiermer is so popular that nobody needs to worry, let alone spend endless hours bumming him up on an obscure internets forum

AVindicationOfFeminists · 12/04/2024 19:28

AdamRyan · 12/04/2024 18:59

I know a lot of people who would describe themselves as Christian, despite never going to church, not praying regularly, not followingthe bible to the letter etc.

You don’t have to do any of those things to be Christian. That’s not what being a Christian is.