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How are you feeling today if you work in healthcare or a captured organisation?

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Citrusandginger · 10/04/2024 10:23

Following the publication of the Cass report?

I'm a senior HCP and have been carefully emphasising the need to record sex medical accurately for months now, and have received, what I take to be, knowing looks and quietly supportive nods in return.

So I'm not out out, but I am sure that people are aware of my views. I'm also certain that I'm not alone.

Looking at social media today, I've seen people from my network posting media articles, but so far no comments.

My hunch is that a lot of us would like to discuss the issues publicly and in our own names, but are still hesitant because the debate is likely to remain toxic for a while, and could still impact our careers (and distress some patients).

Just wondered what other people's thoughts were and what it would take for you to speak out?

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HoneyButterPopcorn · 27/04/2024 19:27

It’s like where I am - I had a look on the staff pages - all the articles/news items for the past year are rainbow related.

Impossiblenurse · 27/04/2024 17:45

RethinkingLife · 27/04/2024 16:55

Has anyone's NGO, NHS Trust or comparable health or social care organisation walked anything back, issued a statement supportive of Cass etc.?

I can say there has not been anything that I've seen.

I've a feeling everyone is either supporting staff networks (not GC ones) or keeping a low profile until there's a change of government. After that, I wouldn't be too surprised if there's something like The Purge.

No nothing down my way. The exec team had an open forum and referenced Cass with some faux bewilderment (or maybe they actually were unaware....but that's odd cos I know for sure at least one person wrote an excellent letter stuffed with factoids).

After the exec meeting I wrote to FTSU guardian referenced cass and the exec boards comments as i was concerned they appeared ill informed..she replied and asked if I wanted her to forward my concerns to EDI. I replied and told her not to bother, that is the origin of all our problematic policy and guidance.

EDI pages are all gender and gender identity now, no mention of sex at all - women were fully erased from these pages in last couple of months.

RethinkingLife · 27/04/2024 16:55

Has anyone's NGO, NHS Trust or comparable health or social care organisation walked anything back, issued a statement supportive of Cass etc.?

I can say there has not been anything that I've seen.

I've a feeling everyone is either supporting staff networks (not GC ones) or keeping a low profile until there's a change of government. After that, I wouldn't be too surprised if there's something like The Purge.

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Heylo · 23/04/2024 20:49

Why do they lump lesbian with trans. So called ‘trans women who are lesbians’ are actively erasing my sexuality, pressuring lesbians into taking them on as partners via social stigma.

the fact that none of these scumbag LGBT societies acknowledges it is a form of support for corrective rape.

Mycatsmudge · 18/04/2024 22:50

This covers a few NHS trusts in North East London

How are you feeling today if you work in healthcare or a captured organisation?
MrsOvertonsWindow · 18/04/2024 16:51

Mycatsmudge · 18/04/2024 15:45

I’ve discovered quite a few NHS trusts are aligned to the charity TransActual and this is what they have to say about the Cass Review

Isn't TransActual run by Jane Fae? Overkeen on extreme porn and films about murdering real live women along with campaigning to remove certain aspects of safeguarding children?

RethinkingLife · 18/04/2024 16:09

Mycatsmudge · 18/04/2024 15:45

I’ve discovered quite a few NHS trusts are aligned to the charity TransActual and this is what they have to say about the Cass Review

Can you collect any and post them without it being a giveaway?

It might be useful information for Sex Matters or such?

Mycatsmudge · 18/04/2024 15:45

I’ve discovered quite a few NHS trusts are aligned to the charity TransActual and this is what they have to say about the Cass Review

How are you feeling today if you work in healthcare or a captured organisation?
Jobsharenightmare · 17/04/2024 23:42

SoVeryTiredAndEmotional · 16/04/2024 18:15

@lemonstolemonade I have been stewing on it all week, and would really like to respond to someone in the hospital at the very least. I’m just not sure where to start. I don’t think I’d be able to coherently get my point across (and, probably more importantly, but very frustratingly, I worry about their response and my job!)
Is it something the Health Secretary would be interested in?

Edited

This is the thing isn't it? These spaces for colleagues to talk safely just don't exist for people who don't believe in gender ideology. I know two people off sick with investigations ongoing because they simply asked questions in a steering group meeting.

Edited to add obviously this was before Cass review but the fear is still there.

loveyouradvice · 16/04/2024 19:42

@SoVeryTiredAndEmotional .... GOSH!!!!!

My guess is that that will get retracted very quickly ... totally agree with others about sending to SoS.. and potentially a couple of others like Baroness Nicholson. As a screenshot with time and date, so anonymous if that is what you understandably need...

And wow... big hugs... how very very disturbing and challenging it must be for you working in that atmosphere. Hold onto the fact that you are making things better for children and young people by being brave....

Citrusandginger · 16/04/2024 19:33

SoVeryTiredAndEmotional · 16/04/2024 18:01

I work in an NHS trust. They have put out a statement saying that they recognise that colleagues may need 'additional support' and 'a safe place' to discuss how they are doing and the impact of the report. This includes our trans colleagues, friends and those with trans children. They have suggested reaching out to talk, and posted links to Mermaids and Gendered intelligence.
No mention of any acknowledgment of the report findings, protecting children etc. I'm really quite shocked.

Fucking. Hell.

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loveyouradvice · 16/04/2024 19:27

Utterly brilliant @DameMaud - Going to share this with lots of people. Love the level of detail and clarity - so accessible and covers all key points (with admirable modesty!!)

Mycatsmudge · 16/04/2024 19:26

SoVeryTiredAndEmotional the fact that your NHS trust is continuing to support the wholesale abuse of children would be of interest to the SoS for health. If I spot a similar thing in my trust I’m going to take a screenshot and send to the SOS for health referencing the Cass Review. From the HoC debate yesterday VA did indicate regulators were looking into the behaviour and actions of HCPs involved in the GIDS. The more we do expose what’s happening in our trusts the quicker this gets exposed and rooted out.

Heylo · 16/04/2024 19:00

Join SEEN. The more of us who do, the more we outnumber the TRAs curbing free speech.

Especially after Cass. Did you see Victoria Akins yday in Parliament slamming GI? Rosie Duffield basically got a standing ovation.

’there a decades where nothing happens and there a weeks where decades happen’.

this is your week ☺️

ladymalfoy45 · 16/04/2024 18:40

Supply Teacher. Some schools are more captured than others. I worked at one long term until I was time-tabled to teach PHSE . The power-points were appalling.
The pupils knew it was all clap trap and would always point out the obvious science but the school invested to be a Pride school.
At another the librarian ( male and straight) was telling Y7 male pupils that if they liked girls they were lesbians and that sex isn't binary.
I completed a My Concern form. Tumbleweed. And I checked for updates as we are required to do.
This same librarian wanted to spend some of 'his' budget on Trans Story time for his 'favourite ' pupils( announced to all the Yr7s ) rather than an author or poet visit that would benefit a year group.
Complaints about his use of the library budget rattled more cages than my MC submission about his use of 'favourite pupils' and Trans Story time.
I'll be leading with ' With reference to the Cass Report' in all future MC referrals from now on.

SoVeryTiredAndEmotional · 16/04/2024 18:15

@lemonstolemonade I have been stewing on it all week, and would really like to respond to someone in the hospital at the very least. I’m just not sure where to start. I don’t think I’d be able to coherently get my point across (and, probably more importantly, but very frustratingly, I worry about their response and my job!)
Is it something the Health Secretary would be interested in?

AgathaMystery · 16/04/2024 18:06

I’m a former HCP who now works in a school. 3 weeks ago I emailed the head of safeguarding my entire thoughts on gender theory.

I feel absolutely GREAT!!

lemonstolemonade · 16/04/2024 18:03

@SoVeryTiredAndEmotional

Shocking. Is this something you might be comfortable about emailing the Health Secretary about?

SoVeryTiredAndEmotional · 16/04/2024 18:01

I work in an NHS trust. They have put out a statement saying that they recognise that colleagues may need 'additional support' and 'a safe place' to discuss how they are doing and the impact of the report. This includes our trans colleagues, friends and those with trans children. They have suggested reaching out to talk, and posted links to Mermaids and Gendered intelligence.
No mention of any acknowledgment of the report findings, protecting children etc. I'm really quite shocked.

RethinkingLife · 16/04/2024 17:43

Jo Bartosch captures my perspective very well.

For all her nonsensical equivocation about toxicity and extremes on all sides, Cass clearly understood that if the messenger was to be shot, it would be a trans activist holding the gun.
And Cass has every reason to be concerned. Her detractors are not confined to the activists who are even now planning a demonstration against the implementation of her recommendations — the entire NHS is in effect enemy territory.
Today there is a legion of activists within the NHS; some organise internally within workplaces, whereas others like GLAAD are networked across the UK.
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https://thecritic.co.uk/the-cass-review-is-not-the-end/

The Cass Review is not the end | Josephine Bartosch | The Critic Magazine

The Cass Review reads like a soldier’s letter from the front — as if its author is trying to smuggle facts across enemy lines and through a censor. That this most eminent paediatrician…

https://thecritic.co.uk/the-cass-review-is-not-the-end

Mycatsmudge · 16/04/2024 00:38

Our trust is very captured. Managers and clinicians who are very gender focused pepper their language with compassionate, engagement and inclusion but their actions are to ruthlessly root out the employees who don’t or won’t sign up to their doctrine without question

Mudgarden · 15/04/2024 22:00

MrsOvertonsWindow · 11/04/2024 12:51

Presumably @Mudgarden this reflects the extreme levels of coercion and intimidation that accompany the enforcement of these lies on an unconsenting public? If you have no confidence that you'll be supported by your unions, colleagues and will be publicly shamed, then it's not surprising that many prioritise their careers, pensions and "reputations" rather than speak the truth.
From the arrogance of "no debate" to the political manipulation of the useful idiots masquerading as politicians chanting their "some women can have a penis", so many leaders have proved to be a massive disappointment.

It was interesting how many posters objected to the tone of the furious opening post in this thread - people were only doing their job and it's mean to call them out! In the face of the carnage exposed by Cass, women are still expected to mind our language and tone.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5046932-have-you-damaged-the-life-of-a-child?page=1

Those levels of intimidation are definitely very high, yes. I was just surprised that even the clinical professors have been cowed, because they’ve never been cowed by anything else. If anyone could beat this it would be them. I’ve worked it out though- it isn’t the university they’re scared of, it’s the NHS. They can influence and veto university policies but they can’t influence the juggernaut that is the extremely captured NHS, and they have to work within it or they have no clinical career.

EP101 · 14/04/2024 11:40

Actually I think transition at home but not at school makes sense.

It puts it firmly in the arena of identity exploration in your own space and time but not something others in public formal arenas are expected to indulge or play along with.

This has long been the attitude to adolescent identity exploration: express your identity through your fashion choices and hair styles at the weekends in your peer group, but don't bring it to school or work. At school you follow the same rules as everyone else.

Parents usually just roll their eyes and ignore the extremes of this identity exploration which is taken very seriously by the teenagers. As they know it's developmental. It's a stage which will pass.

That's the approach we should as adults have taken to this gender expression idea all along.

Instead of calling it social transition, fixing it as an identity and making everyone pretend it's real instead of just a new expression of normal developmental experimentation.

RethinkingLife · 13/04/2024 20:29

I like a protocol, me!

I can't disagree. My preference is for a straightforward, unambiguous pathway and protocol.

However, I don't know how else Cass could have written this and kept the many stakeholders on board and willing to engage with the process.