Yvette Cooper: Labour wants Cass recommendations adopted, BUT...

That seems to cover it very neatly! Labour have been dismissing women's concerns for years. If they wish to regain trust (and votes), they have a long way to go. I only hope that the influence of Cass may spread beyond it's own remit into other areas of policy (thinking the rainbowisation of schools here). Because once you start to join the dots...

I think the tribunual results have had an impact in raising awareness too.

Exactly. The TRAs really went for MN. Like saying no to self-ID, this review wouldn't have happened without this site and the fact we could discuss these issues, and gather evidence. Thankfully some MPs and Peers have been listening.

Let's face it if we hadn't all been shouting from the rooftops for so long the Cass Review would never have taken place in the first place.

I would imagine Rosie tried many times and was ignored and shunned.
It's hard to make good decisions when you refuse to hear half the story.

She says that the report is based on evidence as though that's something different from what we've all been discussing for years. She's spent years refusing to look at the evidence. None of the evidence should have come as a surprise to her.

I haven't read the whole thing yet, but in the parts I have read there's nothing I didn't know already.

She should have listened to women and doctors who were concerned about what was going on instead of her TRA child.

There's an interesting general history behind this aside from the obvious point that nobody wants to be reminded of a time when they were on the wrong side of history and they tend to start critiquing the people who were right by saying they were too strident, too [X] etc.

There's a phenomenon known as 'premature anti-[X]' and two of the best known instances are to have been a premature anti-fascist or a premature anti-Nazi.

‘Premature anti-fascist’ was the name by which the Lincoln Brigade veterans of the Spanish Civil War were known by the US Army in World War Two. This service and knowledge didn't distinguish them for a leadership position, it was counted as demerit on their record.

In John Platts-Mills' autobiography (barrister and post-war Labour MP), he recalls being ‘excluded from any form of normal war service by the stupidities of Bevin’. He noted: ‘An anti-Nazi history, was of no help and to have been prematurely anti-Nazi was a positive hindrance … we were condemned throughout most of the 1930s on the grounds that only Communists were against the Nazis and this hostility carried over into the war years.’

Commenting on (British?) veterans of the Spanish Civil War, Platts-Mills wrote that ‘many lefties who had served in Spain were called up or were accepted when they volunteered. Several more got in only after a tussle with the authorities.’ [1]

I wonder if some of the women deplatformed from various social media will find themselves labelled 'premature anti-authoritarians' or some other 'premature anti-[X]'." Glinner likewise has been deplatformed for correctly seeing what was happening. That deplatforming may now well continue for the 'crime' of having been 'strident' and a premature anti-[X]'.

[1] Completeness means that I have to note that he objected to allying with the US rather than Russia after WW2 and would not accept the adverse reports about Stalin.

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Exactly.

They didn't listen to us because we were part of a 'culture war'.

If we hadn't said anything, they'd have been saying that we should have spoken up.

Oh what's the expression? It's on the tip of my tongue. Got it! ODFOD

The people shouting BIGOT when they couldn't answer even the most base-level question about what they proclaimed to believe are the ones creating a culture war.

It's absolute blatant dishonesty to say otherwise and I'm disgusted that people (politicians) do it. Dishonesty and lazy cowardice throughout.

Ah yes, it’s because we’re all raging right wing, or gulls of the far right, and so they couldn’t listen to us in case they caught the right wing cooties.

That’s how it goes, I think. If only there’d been sensible Labour Party women raising their concerns… oh, wait!

Wait a minute, ok, hang on, I know- even a stopped clock is right twice a day! 😅

Looking forward to the fulsome public apology to Rosie Duffield. I realise Labour MPs are busy all doing their earnest concerned "oh yes, we've been saying this for years!" lies on interviews today, but sure they'll get round to it shortly.

I realise my post is unrelated to what's being discussed in this thread (saw this in Active) but I don't have much time for Yvette Cooper. Anyone who cares about vulnerable groups should remember she was the person responsible for the WCA that have caused huge harm to the disabled.

What is a "culture war" and just who created it? Women (and a few wonderful men) have been speaking up about safeguarding children and Labour, the Lib Dems and the Greens would not listen. They listened only to Stonewall.

All those people who put their fingers in their ears and refused to engage their brains created a culture war. Stonewall and Mermaids were in the forefront but I wont forget that women were ignored by misogynists.

Yvette came over terribly there. She should have done a mea culpa. She is and was part of the problem this issue was a culture war in the first place. And her husband on GMB too

If they didn't want to listen to people they think lean right wing they could have had a chat with Rosie Duffield at any point - one of their own MPs. I'm sure Rosie could have explained the issues in an understandable way for them.

That current information Rightsraptor is that Cooper and Balls have late teens/early 20s child who is a raging trans activist.

If Yvette Cooper has a family member who is trans or whatever that should make no difference whatsoever to her job. She's an MP and has to represent all her constituents and, as a shadow minister/spokesperson etc she should not be bringing her home stuff to work.

So, @Citrusandginger, I have no sympathy at all for her. If she's putting her family's wishes first it's time for her to go.

Culture war is just an excuse not to listen to people whose view you don't agree with or who you are too afraid to listen to.

It provides a cover for cowards who are too afraid to act as the grown-ups in the room. Just dismiss everything as a culture war and job done.

Yvette saying this has made me more angry with Labour.

This. What a stupid thing to say. It doesn't make them sound like they were outside the "culture war", quite the opposite.

Sounds like a classic abuser. Blaming the victim.

It's your fault we didn't listen when we shouted at you, blocked you, chucked you out of Labour. .

Fuck off Labour. You've lost my vote.

Culture war is just an excuse not to listen to people who's view you don't agree with or who you are too afraid to listen to.

It provides a cover for cowards who are too afraid to act as the grown-ups in the room. Just dismiss everything as a culture war and job done.

Yvette saying this has made me more angry with Labour.

"Excessive blinking can indicate anxiety, which often pairs with lying. If the level of blinking seems exaggerated, it might be because the person is lying."

Dear Yvette Cooper
We agree with you. We also feel that children and young people have been badly let down in receiving treatment not based on evidence. We also welcome the Cass Review. Regarding those doctors and clinicians who felt that they couldn’t speak out sooner because if they did they would be victimised - for those people - please do not use the term “Culture Wars”

'Premature Anti' phenomenon. Someone wrote a thread on here once about it.

This is the point where people like Cooper and Streeting start rewriting their narrative as the saviours who did it in the right way and not as people who were part of the problem in the first place.

I've also been disappointed in YC who I used to really rate. I'm aware that she has a family connection to the issues so have some sympathy at a personal level.

I can only wonder how parents are feeling now that the evidence of no evidence has been so compellingly laid out. It must be hard to row back, knowing as an intelligent person, you have been misled whilst still being concerned for someone you love.