Yvette Cooper: Labour wants Cass recommendations adopted, BUT...

It absolutely was a considered and deliberate tactic. It was in the Dentons doc.

They recognised the role mothers "feminists" played in bringing about the downfall of P I E.

I just had a flashback to Another Place, were we were all told off precisely for being "right for the wrong reasons"

They have deeper voices. Easier on the ears.
Ours are so high pitched it's akin to a dog whistle so they can't possibly hear our words. Allegedly.

Thank you @MrsOvertonsWindow that Telegraph article neatly skewers Yvette Cooper's arse talking.

Here an archive link that'll take you past the paywall

https://archive.ph/0iuvO

There a link at the bottom of that to a similar piece on Wes Streeting 😠 😡

I know, I know golden bridges an all but...I just need a moment.

The culture was has always been about Reason and Evidence versus Ideological Beliefs that have little basis in reality or how the real world works.

Yvette is just finding out she's not on the side she thought she was...

"Culture war" is, as I understand it, something that crossed the pond and describes a situation where there are two major groups in society that are diametrically opposed and, instead of regarding each other as essentially well-meaning people with a different view but as malevolent. It's Manichean and requires two sides.

People like Cooper would have you believe that there is only one antagonist in the UK.

Lets give Yvette the benefit of the doubt and accept it was a war between Self Identity Warriors and Evidence Based Medicine Advocates

If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.
SunTzu

The numpties who only knew their one true self, didn't and don't understand the principles of evidence based medicine.

And until they start to make an effort to understand why women have been saying what they have they will continue to lose.

Great article in the Telegraph pointing out everything's that been said on here about Cooper's inbuilt bias against the truth:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/04/10/yvette-cooper-cass-review-labour-party-transgender-culture/

Exactly!

Ahh so they would have listened sooner if we'd not said anything?

Seems to sums up their thinking these days.

Nadia isn't the brightest. The line from the Labour leadership clearly is that now everyone has to pretend that they were concerned about the harm being done to children all along, and ignore all the evidence to the contrary. How very inconvenient of Nadia to remind people that Labour MPs are among the most deranged lunatics supporting gender ideology.

I haven't read it but if she hasn't managed to link it to Palestine, global warming, #blm and something, something, Donald Trump, I am going to feel that she's really let me down.

I see that Nads has locked her Twatter account, so as not to be confronted with a tsunami of facts and evidence, showing her to be a great big plank.

They have to blame someone don’t they.

I’m so glad Cass has been been published before the next election because Labour have had to come clean. We now just need to persuaded them to define a woman.

Anyone want Nadia Whittomes take on the Cass report?

Spoiler, she appears not to have read it and is going 'off message' and will get her info from the trans community/organisations

https://twitter.com/NadiaWhittomeMP/status/1778026808861933715

Absolutely

Fuck's sake, Yvette, if it was a war over culture it wouldn't be so bad, but it's actually a war over objective material reality where, let's be honest here, your side wanted to ruin the lives of anyone who even dared to question your arguments.

Jesus. Women and men, including the clinicians, who were critical of the 'transing' of children were centring the child by looking at the evidence and saying that wider issues around mental health and trauma and autism should be looked at in their health care.

We were calling for all the things Yvette Cooper said need to be done.

Thanks for the apology Yvette Cooper, and recognition for all the people who got us to the place of this report and who really stuck their necks out at great personal cost, whilst you and your party supported all this idiocy and ignored the evidence base. Thanks for the recognition Yvette.

Let me guess, in a different conversation on a different subject you'll be applauding whistle blowers, am I right?

So you are selectively refusing to acknowledge or praise the whistle blowers here.

Guess what, you've just made my mind up that I will not vote for the cowardly, unprincipled opportunists who populate the current Labour party.

I went looking on YouTube for the great recording of Cooper doing a homely northern accent on local radio contrasted with her stentorian posh RP voice in the HoC. But it seems to have gone.

She’s always made me laugh. Politically bendy AF.

They're cool, not middle aged women.

She's so down with the kids!

Runningupthecurtains · Today 10:26

Ahh so they would have listened sooner if we'd not said anything?

Yes, it's a complete failure of logic, from an able and intelligent person, isn't it? It brings to mind the Brexit supporters, who eventually admitted that it was shite, but blamed Remainers, for not supporting Brexit.

They're cool, not middle aged women.

Ignoring safeguarding alerts = not fit to govern. On this or any other issues where raising alarm might be seen as ‘culture war’ problem. Rotherham springs to mind…

So if it was a culture war, why did she listen to the "other side"?

Genevieve Gluck argues/speculates that the undermining of women in advance was a considered and deliberate tactic after the previous success of 'feminists and women, lesbians in particular' in pushing back PIE and NAMBLA. "They've slandered feminists as TERFs from the start so no-one will listen to them."

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