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News commentary on the Cass Report

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HagoftheNorth · 10/04/2024 07:29

Thread to record where and when to find tv/radio commentary on the Cass report, so that it is easy for people to find it on catchup. If you’re listening/watching and it comes up, please record the channel/show and the time

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songaboutjam · 20/04/2024 21:04

The Australian experts sound very smug about how much more evidence-based their "trans healthcare" is.

Obviously this must mean they have better information and higher quality research on puberty blockers, etc. than we Poms. Perhaps in the interests of "saving trans kid lives" or whatever, they ought to consider it their moral duty to share this superior information?

TomPinch · 20/04/2024 20:57

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2024/apr/20/doctor-hilary-cass-warned-of-threats-to-safety-after-vile-abuse-over-nhs-gender-services-review

"Referring to the online abuse she had received, she said: “There are some pretty vile emails coming in at the moment, most of which my team is protecting me from, so I’m not getting to see them.”
She added: “I’m not going on public transport at the moment, following security advice, which is inconvenient.”"

Hilary Cass warned of threats to safety after ‘vile’ abuse over NHS gender services review

The paediatrician, who has been advised to stop using public transport, describes ‘straight disinformation’ about report

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2024/apr/20/doctor-hilary-cass-warned-of-threats-to-safety-after-vile-abuse-over-nhs-gender-services-review

EasternStandard · 20/04/2024 13:38

I hope the insurance gets them

RedToothBrush · 20/04/2024 13:28

SinnerBoy · 20/04/2024 13:27

The Guardian Australia has an article, along the lines I predicted. TL-DR We do a really great holistic job, not like those stupid Pommies.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2024/apr/20/england-nhs-dr-hilary-cass-review-transgender-healthcare-impact-australia

The Victorian government is “fiercely proud” of its transgender health clinics, the state’s health minister has said in response to findings from a long anticipated review of gender-affirming care for young people in England.

Australian experts, including clinicians, politicians and peak medical bodies, spoken to by Guardian Australia all said the trans and gender-diverse care provided by states and territories is substantially different from that in England, and is based on holistic, best-practice care with various levels of assessments.

Guardian Australia understands neither New South Wales or Victoria have plans to make changes to puberty blocker prescribing or accessibility as a result of the Cass review.

Keep watching the medical insurance.

SinnerBoy · 20/04/2024 13:27

The Guardian Australia has an article, along the lines I predicted. TL-DR We do a really great holistic job, not like those stupid Pommies.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2024/apr/20/england-nhs-dr-hilary-cass-review-transgender-healthcare-impact-australia

The Victorian government is “fiercely proud” of its transgender health clinics, the state’s health minister has said in response to findings from a long anticipated review of gender-affirming care for young people in England.

Australian experts, including clinicians, politicians and peak medical bodies, spoken to by Guardian Australia all said the trans and gender-diverse care provided by states and territories is substantially different from that in England, and is based on holistic, best-practice care with various levels of assessments.

Guardian Australia understands neither New South Wales or Victoria have plans to make changes to puberty blocker prescribing or accessibility as a result of the Cass review.

RethinkingLife · 20/04/2024 12:22

One of the men here says about the tra/liberal movement about gender that they have “Fallen into the trap of thinking all progressive movements are the same. All progress is good.” ( My paraphrase.)

Mary Harrington has a thought-provoking book on that topic and an interview with Triggernometry.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Feminism-Against-Progress-Mary-Harrington/dp/1800752024

Why 'Progress' is Bad for Women - Mary Harrington

💥Join us on our Journey to 1 Million Subscribers💥 Mary Harrington is a writer who sometimes goes by the moniker of ‘Reactionary Feminist’. She is a Contrib...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1ZztpS_U1o

FriedGold32 · 20/04/2024 12:09

Matt D'Ancona knows the score, Helen Joyce did an event with him a few years ago in which one of the other contributers harangued her and said she should not have been invited.

From 44 mins

Pulp and be damned: are we living in a new era of censorship in publishing?

Lionel Shriver, best-selling author of several books including We Need To Talk About Kevin, has described the impact of identity politics in publishing as a ...

https://youtu.be/j0o83-lMr_s?si=5rhLYurDXGcCFpKo

RedToothBrush · 20/04/2024 12:06

ScrollingLeaves · 20/04/2024 11:57

They set out what happened so clearly and objectively, thank you for posting this. I wish politicians would listen to this ‘For Dummies’ explanation rather than think they know it all already, which they don’t. (Not even Rishi Sunak, let alone Kier Starmer.)

One of the men here says about the tra/liberal movement about gender that they have “Fallen into the trap of thinking all progressive movements are the same. All progress is good.” ( My paraphrase.)
This does seem to be what has happened.

Your reminder that Eugenics was viewed as progressive at one point.

Spoiler: It wasn't. And lots of people were harmed. And thats why we now have medical ethics panels to consider human rights and poor practice.

ScrollingLeaves · 20/04/2024 11:57

Kucinghitam · 20/04/2024 08:34

This just came up on my YouTube feed. I don't usually listen to these guys but IIRC as New European journos, they're not the usual "urgh tainted by far-right cooties" sort that The Righteous like to dismiss without a second glance.

They set out what happened so clearly and objectively, thank you for posting this. I wish politicians would listen to this ‘For Dummies’ explanation rather than think they know it all already, which they don’t. (Not even Rishi Sunak, let alone Kier Starmer.)

One of the men here says about the tra/liberal movement about gender that they have “Fallen into the trap of thinking all progressive movements are the same. All progress is good.” ( My paraphrase.)
This does seem to be what has happened.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 20/04/2024 08:49

This is well worth listening too. They explicitly talk about how the both sideism stuff is bollocks “toxicity is heavily slanted on one side”

Kucinghitam · 20/04/2024 08:34

This just came up on my YouTube feed. I don't usually listen to these guys but IIRC as New European journos, they're not the usual "urgh tainted by far-right cooties" sort that The Righteous like to dismiss without a second glance.

How trans activists ended up on the wrong side of history

How did we get to the point where troubled children have been damaged by a health system that should have protected them? How did the dogma of trans activist...

https://youtu.be/ZnZ9LLuxuoo?si=tpHXy8r1vcXbhMHo

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 18/04/2024 08:09

You know, I always slightly regretted not voting Labour when Ed Miliband was the leader. Now I don't.

Igneococcus · 18/04/2024 06:18

I was surprised she said Ed Milliband, mostly because I had entirely forgotten about him.

OldCrone · 17/04/2024 22:09

A doctor who prescribed puberty blockers to children as young as 12

She didn't just prescribe puberty blockers to children, she prescribed testosterone to a 12-year-old girl.

OvaHere · 17/04/2024 22:06

’ll allow myself the luxury of two names. First Ed Miliband, who in November 2017 devoted his Reasons to be Cheerful podcast to trans issues. Not only did he scorn all opponents of self-ID as “bonkers” but he invited on Dr Helen Webberley, the child hormone-prescribing doctor who ran a private clinic with her husband (who has been struck off the medical register).
I wrote to Miliband privately, linking to articles explaining the effect of her drug regime. “Of course I don’t believe in sterilising children!” thundered this condescending know-all.

One day I shall tell my great grandchild the story of how a bacon sandwich sacrificed itself for a nation. 😆

GP who gave puberty blockers to children nominated for award

A doctor who prescribed puberty blockers to children as young as 12 has been nominated for an ITV-backed award which recognises positive role model for LGBT ind

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/gp-who-gave-puberty-blockers-to-children-nominated-for-award-pp9rq9fnl

RethinkingLife · 17/04/2024 21:58

humanists, blow-hard podcasters and “fearless” radio stars

Fits Adam Rutherford, Robin Ince, James O'Brien

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 17/04/2024 21:49

Igneococcus · 17/04/2024 21:21

This is from Janice Turner's Notebook column in the Times:

"Cass hypocrisy
The moment the Cass report was published the Overton window lurched: everything Tavistock whistleblowers and journalists had been ostracised for saying was suddenly mainstream.
It’s tempting to list the cowards, fools, liberal sheep, airhead celebrities who shilled for Mermaids; atheists, humanists, blow-hard podcasters and “fearless” radio stars, right-on male comics who relished the chance to scream at women and spineless Labour politicians, all now claiming that Cass is what they believed all along.
I’ll allow myself the luxury of two names. First Ed Miliband, who in November 2017 devoted his Reasons to be Cheerful podcast to trans issues. Not only did he scorn all opponents of self-ID as “bonkers” but he invited on Dr Helen Webberley, the child hormone-prescribing doctor who ran a private clinic with her husband (who has been struck off the medical register).
I wrote to Miliband privately, linking to articles explaining the effect of her drug regime. “Of course I don’t believe in sterilising children!” thundered this condescending know-all.
The second is Baroness Hunt of Bethnal Green, desperate to deep-clean her reputation post-Cass. “I’ve always been deeply concerned,” she said last week, “about the internalised homophobia that is going on for young women that means they think they can’t be a dyke, and they’ve got to be a boy.”
I met Hunt for lunch in 2019 just as she was leaving Stonewall, where she was chief executive. Hunt is slippery smart. At the end, I implored her as a butch lesbian who loves men’s tailoring to make a speech saying that you can look how you like and still be a woman. “It would be so powerful,” I said.
But she never did: because it would have enraged the trans lobby on whose campaign funds she depended. Hunt is a Christian who must know the ninth commandment, so I hope she’s squared her duplicity with God."

Well we all know who this:
"airhead celebrities who shilled for Mermaids"
is.

Who are the blowhard podcasters?

emma watson GIF
Igneococcus · 17/04/2024 21:21

This is from Janice Turner's Notebook column in the Times:

"Cass hypocrisy
The moment the Cass report was published the Overton window lurched: everything Tavistock whistleblowers and journalists had been ostracised for saying was suddenly mainstream.
It’s tempting to list the cowards, fools, liberal sheep, airhead celebrities who shilled for Mermaids; atheists, humanists, blow-hard podcasters and “fearless” radio stars, right-on male comics who relished the chance to scream at women and spineless Labour politicians, all now claiming that Cass is what they believed all along.
I’ll allow myself the luxury of two names. First Ed Miliband, who in November 2017 devoted his Reasons to be Cheerful podcast to trans issues. Not only did he scorn all opponents of self-ID as “bonkers” but he invited on Dr Helen Webberley, the child hormone-prescribing doctor who ran a private clinic with her husband (who has been struck off the medical register).
I wrote to Miliband privately, linking to articles explaining the effect of her drug regime. “Of course I don’t believe in sterilising children!” thundered this condescending know-all.
The second is Baroness Hunt of Bethnal Green, desperate to deep-clean her reputation post-Cass. “I’ve always been deeply concerned,” she said last week, “about the internalised homophobia that is going on for young women that means they think they can’t be a dyke, and they’ve got to be a boy.”
I met Hunt for lunch in 2019 just as she was leaving Stonewall, where she was chief executive. Hunt is slippery smart. At the end, I implored her as a butch lesbian who loves men’s tailoring to make a speech saying that you can look how you like and still be a woman. “It would be so powerful,” I said.
But she never did: because it would have enraged the trans lobby on whose campaign funds she depended. Hunt is a Christian who must know the ninth commandment, so I hope she’s squared her duplicity with God."

FrancescaContini · 17/04/2024 20:53

afternoonoflife · 16/04/2024 16:06

there are so many unsavoury characters on Team TRA!

Ain’t that the truth.
“Is that the one who used to wear his mother’s underwear?”
“No that’s A. B wore his sister’s underwear.”
”Is that the one who said TERFs should be raped?“
“No that’s C. D said TERFs should be raped and killed.”
”Is that the one who said JKR was basically Hitler?”
“No that’s E, this is F who said JKR was a Holocaust denier.”
“Was that the one who encouraged children to contact them privately online, whilst being an ambassador to a children’s charity?”
”No that was G, this is H who wore a rubber suit under his clothes whilst working at a children’s charity.”

Etc etc.

Yes. “Unsavoury” is the word.

Datun · 16/04/2024 22:18

OvaHere · 16/04/2024 22:16

Has IW ever been to Keighley? If you try to think of somewhere profoundly opposite to Brighton I'd say Keighley comes quite close.

Yeah, it looks like IW will take any gig that's going.

OvaHere · 16/04/2024 22:16

Datun · 16/04/2024 21:45

There you go. The credibility of the Keighley Cougars is now on the line.

Has IW ever been to Keighley? If you try to think of somewhere profoundly opposite to Brighton I'd say Keighley comes quite close.

Runskiyoga · 16/04/2024 21:45

Alan Davies keeps correcting Sandy Toksvig on QI for saying pregnant women as though she's super out of date 😂 and she has to just say 'yes thank you', he's properly on the wind up.

Datun · 16/04/2024 21:45

whoami24601 · 16/04/2024 21:29

India Willoughby has just this week been announced as patron of Keighley Cougars with a 'proud' Facebook announcement 🙄 Tone. Deaf. Though the comments are heartening at least. Fans are NOT impressed.

There you go. The credibility of the Keighley Cougars is now on the line.

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