Final Report Cass Review now published

I just find it weird to be called an extremist for believing in O Level Biology. It's genuinely Orwellian (overused though that term is).

Very accurate - a good description of recent years - so lovely to see the tide turning against those extremist views 😁

That's funny. But in all seriousness, there's nothing inherently left wing about a belief in gender ideology. Socialism is not about hyper individualism.

I agree with the sense of my own politics having changed little (if anything discovering feminism took me slightly further left). I see it as too many on the left abandoning left wing principles, and therefore not being on the left any more.

Oh now he’s saying “countless trans people don’t feel safe online because of this toxic debate”

What about women being punched in the face, losing their jobs and being arrested for calling a man a man.

Radio 4 at the moment have a trans woman on, about how his experience was/is nothing like Cass has stated in their report.

So still the BBC are not fucking listening to the evidence.

This one from Colin Wight?

Yes to this. Mermaids is currently under investigation by the charities commission.

Anyone got that meme about how the left, the centre and the right and the guy in the middle who hasn't moved at all.

That.

With bells on.

I was trying to think of a good analogy here, and this one is perfect.

These people are reminding me of advocates of smoking/ use of oil, who shouted very loudly, refusing to believe they caused harm, even when presented with lots of evidence. Their behaviour is criminal!

“The intention with the Cass review is to be neutral, but I think that neutral has maybe moved,” said Laurence Webb, a representative from Mermaids, a trans youth advocacy organization in Britain. “Extremist views have become much more normalized.”

The New York Times is reporting on Cass Review:

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/09/health/europe-transgender-youth-hormone-treatments.html

https://archive.ph/7yf0m

Don't forget the endocrinologist and the other disciplines that happily supported the psychologists and psychiatrists at the Portman and Tavistock.

Yes I've often wondered how it is that the endocrinologists seem to have got off Scot free, a bit like Macavity the cat.

GIFs assessed and referred to endocrinology. But surely the endocrinologists should have been doing blood work, follow up, making sure they were prescribing correctly. And why were they so lacking in curiosity not to audit this new cohort of patients being given off label drugs and monitored for side effects etc?

Maybe I missed it.

How annoying it is to have been at work and unable to keep up with all the news re Cass and Giggle v Tickle.

Anyway I love your plan to visit your MP and enjoy your "I told you so" moment.

Can I suggest everyone who has ever met with their MP about this does the same. I just live the idea of their surgeries being swamped by women waving reports and articles and loudly saying "I told you so".

Ought to get it on a T shirt really.

Don't forget the endocrinologist and the other disciplines that happily supported the psychologists and psychiatrists at the Portman and Tavistock.

All are culpable.

That depends on:
a) those in power having the strength to do what is right
b) someone / many suing the NHS / clinics / even schools for pushing their transition

I have noticed this statement in the Cass report.

There were more than 3,000 young people being seen by gender identity services were birth-registered girls presenting in early teens, "often with quite complex additional problems".

I previously worked with SEN teens and I have said from the very start that it was criminal to allow so many neurodivergent and SEN teens to both socially and medically transition. I know of 7 girls who were neurodivergent who were able to access medication and allowed to socially transition in the education system.

It almost feels like a deliberate way to take the chance for these teens to reproduce in the future which is a very dark thought.

These teens should have been safeguarded and this has all been allowed to happen.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5046923-final-report-cass-review-now-published?reply=134430105&

Very clunky but there's a 'Share' button available in the desktop version (not a clue about the mobile app).

See my response on this thread at 0926 (sorry, don't know how else to link) - am a GP and it worries me hugely. There is no system.

yy we do disagree, and there is robust debate and discussion. No group think or Borg style 'hive mind' . I have also had my arse handed to me, no hurty feels, on one thread, on another one been in total agreement.

@MissScarletInTheBallroom I thought the lack of data post 2016 only served to demonstrate how obstructive GIDS has been. Their shortsightedness is stunning : how could they not appreciate that this reflects poorly on them, brings the service further into disrepute, and is prima facie (Sp?) evidence of their lack of desire to put the needs of children first by ensuring this report was accurate and comprehensive?

Given a hole, they just keep digging, don’t they?

Hannah Barnes said when she first published Time to Think she didn't believe The Tavi was ideologcally captured, but by the time she wrote the additional chapter for the paperback she's changde her mind.

I suspect this is becuases she'd seen the refusal of the clinics to share data and enage in research for Cass.
This only makes sense if it's ideological.

Having read Hannah Barnes’ book on GIDS, I would agree with your assessment that they were covering up their tracks. They were always uncooperative with any attempts to investigate their activities and very antagonistic towards any criticism.

@MissScarletInTheBallroom I'm not quoting as it's such a long post but yours at 8.06 is phenomenal and I agree and identify with every single point.

I also feel humbled and (tearfully) grateful that I am a part of this truly awesome community

There will be a trial for puberty blockers under the aegis of NRCP, NHS England, NIHR and HDR UK.

A study into the potential benefits and harms of puberty suppressing hormones as a treatment option for children and young people with gender incongruence is being developed through the National Research Collaboration Programme (NCRP) in place between NHS England and the National Institute of Health and Care Research (NIHR). The NRCP joint programme provides a collaborative approach to study development; studies being progressed through this route still have to demonstrate that they can materially build the evidence base for potential future NHS treatment options, while meeting a high scientific bar in terms of research methodology, as well as securing other important research approvals, including ethics committee approval.
It is envisaged that children and young people in both England and Wales will be able to participate in the study with access through NHS children and young people’s gender services. A multi-disciplinary team approach will be taken to identify those children who, with the consent of their parents, may be deemed clinically suitable for consideration of puberty suppressing hormones through the study. Children participating in the study will also continue to receive comprehensive psychosocial support.
The study will measure a range of potential treatment benefits and harms (for example whether puberty suppressing hormones impact in a meaningful way on levels of anxiety or depression, on body image, or brain development) using a range of validated tools, questionnaires and user feedback. Key measures included in the study, and the way data are collected, will aim to bridge gaps in existing research and will also be shaped by engagement with a range of stakeholders, including children and young people referred into NHS gender services and their families or carers.
Professor Emily Simonoff has been confirmed as Chief Investigator for the study. Emily is Professor of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry at the Institute of Psychiatry, Psychology and Neuroscience, King’s College London, where she is also currently Head of the Department of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry and Director of the King’s Maudsley Partnership for Children and Young People. She has extensive research experience and is also academic lead for the Child and Adolescent Mental Health Services Clinical Academic Group at the South London and Maudsley NHS Foundation Trust. The research will be co-sponsored by King’s College London and the South London and Maudsley NHS Foundation Trust.

https://www.england.nhs.uk/commissioning/spec-services/npc-crg/gender-dysphoria-clinical-programme/implementing-advice-from-the-cass-review/cyp-gender-dysphoria-research-oversight-board/