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IwantToRetire · 2024-04-10T01:10:22+00:00

^Dr Hilary Cass has submitted her final report and recommendations to NHS England in her role as Chair of the Independent Review of gender identity services for children and young people.^ Download from [[https://cass.independent-review.uk/home/publications/final-report https://cass.independent-review.uk/home/publications/final-report/]]

Helleofabore · 10/04/2024 07:05

saraclara · 10/04/2024 04:46

But she said this care was made even more difficult to provide by the polarised public debate, and the way in which opposing sides had “pointed to research to justify a position, regardless of the quality of the studies”.
“There are few other areas of healthcare where professionals are so afraid to openly discuss their views, where people are vilified on social media, and where name-calling echoes the worst bullying behaviour. This must stop.

If we're going to reflect on this report honestly and objectively, we also need to own that this branch of Mumsnet has played a part in that polarisation of public debate.

Crikey!

When Mumsnet posters have been saying pretty much what Cass has just said, I think you might be giving in to your own prejudiced view there. And rather hypocritical there in the ‘polarised’ view. But hey, you do you!

Crankywiddershins · 10/04/2024 07:05

Datun · 10/04/2024 06:33

I'm sure Starmer can see the writing on the wall, and will be only too glad to have the Cass report as an excuse to resist extreme transactivism.

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Are you suggesting that Starmer will be going to the TRAs with the "it was the Cass report big boys who made me do it"? Wow! What a fabulous prime minister he won't make.

Helleofabore · 10/04/2024 07:01

Ereshkigalangcleg · 10/04/2024 03:22

The earlier thread about the Cass report which has all the front pages in the media tomorrow and 200 posts of discussion. The launch has been tracked there for several days.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/5044674-cass-review-out-on-wednesday

Yes. It is good to keep it all together to have the progression recorded.

WarriorN · 10/04/2024 07:00

JeannieDark · 10/04/2024 06:53

One thing that I was really relieved to see discussed yesterday was that it as suggested that Cass would recommend no medical intervention until 25. I don't see that today, have I missed it or is it not there?

I think it's the services designed for children should extend to 25.

However, I suspect it may be legally more challenging after 18. But if the below is the underlying premise, it sounds like it's going to be very cautious?

Crankywiddershins · 10/04/2024 06:58

If we're going to reflect on this report honestly and objectively, we also need to own that this branch of Mumsnet has played a part in that polarisation of public debate.

Congratulations on the speed of your pathetic "Mumsnet made me do it" excuse for the poor behaviour of your fellow gender fantasists. It's a bit weak though and I hope you'll find better excuses in the coming days.

JeannieDark · 10/04/2024 06:53

One thing that I was really relieved to see discussed yesterday was that it as suggested that Cass would recommend no medical intervention until 25. I don't see that today, have I missed it or is it not there?

WarriorN · 10/04/2024 06:49

Interview with Dr Hilary Cass 7:30 am bbc r4 Today programme www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/5046945-interview-with-dr-hilary-cass-730-am-bbc-r4-today-programme

Today programme all over this

Datun · 10/04/2024 06:44

saraclara · 10/04/2024 04:46

But she said this care was made even more difficult to provide by the polarised public debate, and the way in which opposing sides had “pointed to research to justify a position, regardless of the quality of the studies”.
“There are few other areas of healthcare where professionals are so afraid to openly discuss their views, where people are vilified on social media, and where name-calling echoes the worst bullying behaviour. This must stop.

If we're going to reflect on this report honestly and objectively, we also need to own that this branch of Mumsnet has played a part in that polarisation of public debate.

lol. What other countries are publishing a four year long report into children affected by trans ideology?

And who do you think have been the greatest challengers to the ideology in the first place?

That's right, Mumsnet.

The clue is in the name.

Needapadlockonmyfridge · 10/04/2024 06:41

Pleased to see this is top story on BBC news website, especially after their recent handling of other news stories.

Datun · 10/04/2024 06:33

NumberTheory · 10/04/2024 04:18

Don’t think of it as a kick in the teeth. It should be a huge relief that Labour are supporting the review whole heartedly and not undermining it, ignoring it or otherwise indicating that they will be swayed into returning to the old model of gender care. They will likely be in power soon and it would be a tragedy for children if Labour played politics with it instead of being grown ups, acknowledging the expertise and doing right by those children.

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I'm sure Starmer can see the writing on the wall, and will be only too glad to have the Cass report as an excuse to resist extreme transactivism.

guinnessguzzler · 10/04/2024 06:32

More research from the department of the bleeding obvious. It's bizarre that it took this to make it clear, but well done to Dr Cass for doing so.

So glad it sounds like Labour are on board too and agree we here should not be accepting responsibility for the toxicity of the debate ... it's like an abusive partner saying it takes two to argue when what they mean is you won't get any abuse if you just shut up and behave exactly as I want. There's nothing toxic about pointing out a system that is causing serious harm to children and young people.

ResisterRex · 10/04/2024 06:28

Mail

NHS's gender treatment model for children is demolished in bombshell report: Teens suffered irreversible changes based on 'remarkably weak evidence'

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13290077/NHS-gender-treatment-children-based-remarkably-weak-evidence-landmark-report-finds.html

Everything you need to know about the sweeping 400-page Cass report, including why it was set-up four years ago and what has happened since

www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-13288717/Everything-need-know-sweeping-400-page-Cass-report-including-set-four-years-ago-happened-since.html

WarriorN · 10/04/2024 06:26

When I was briefed on the NHS’s Tavistock Gender Identity Development Service (Gids) for the first time, I knew this was not just another policy area but a child protection issue and huge medical scandal in the making.

Sajid javid

👏

ResisterRex · 10/04/2024 06:25

Telegraph

^LEAD STORY

NHS to review all trans treatment
Evidence for letting children change gender built on shaky foundations, says Cass report^

digitaleditions.telegraph.co.uk/data/1669/reader/reader.html?social#!preferred/0/package/1669/pub/1669/page/2/article/NaN

Under-25s’ trans care must be slower

Recommendations from key report also include early help for pupils who wish to socially transition

digitaleditions.telegraph.co.uk/data/1669/reader/reader.html?social#!preferred/0/package/1669/pub/1669/page/25/article/NaN

ResisterRex · 10/04/2024 06:21

Some articles from the Times on the report which maybe of interest

The Times view on the NHS gender identity scandal: Prescription for Disaster

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/4d38a355-b6c6-41a0-96dd-bbf1c2c611fa?shareToken=31f8a065623f2fd5e7fc209f6ffea2ad

NHS review rejects puberty blockers for gender transition in children

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/5f04e9ac-ead3-41e9-b199-07a18460f7bd?shareToken=adba279533f5c98c5316fe22b3aad2d6

Nine key findings from the Cass review into gender transition

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/cb8e1bb3-0526-4431-81cb-ff0c48fabd43?shareToken=e6e1e5c2258f001e657952962e6ca6bb

Sajid Javid: NHS let gender ideology replace children’s best interest

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/f84bc183-0f0a-4b28-b365-9fb6fb3fbf69?shareToken=2a408354d03adba4a0b401934f7ab2d8

WarriorN · 10/04/2024 06:19

It's the top news item on bbc today programme.

Cass on at 7:30 exclusive interview

CaptainWarbeck · 10/04/2024 06:18

Agree that without Mumsnet there really would have been no debate. I lurked for a while on FWR and saw reasonable questions being asked and the arguments from the trans side not standing up to them. I don't think MN has been polarising, more a space for fair discussion.

Igneococcus · 10/04/2024 06:12

If we're going to reflect on this report honestly and objectively, we also need to own that this branch of Mumsnet has played a part in that polarisation of public debate.

The TRAs didn't want a nonpolarised debate, they wanted no debate at all. Without MN we'd be like NZ or Canada now.

ResisterRex · 10/04/2024 06:02

saraclara · 10/04/2024 04:46

But she said this care was made even more difficult to provide by the polarised public debate, and the way in which opposing sides had “pointed to research to justify a position, regardless of the quality of the studies”.
“There are few other areas of healthcare where professionals are so afraid to openly discuss their views, where people are vilified on social media, and where name-calling echoes the worst bullying behaviour. This must stop.

If we're going to reflect on this report honestly and objectively, we also need to own that this branch of Mumsnet has played a part in that polarisation of public debate.

Oh no. No no no. It is because MN refused to yield to activists' demands and threats that we even have this discussion. Without which, there would be no Cass Review.

No. No rewriting of history to show MNers and FWR as the bad guys. Absolutely not.

songaboutjam · 10/04/2024 05:48

In fairness, the fact there's even a debate at all is in part thanks to Mumsnet.

This is probably the biggest website to even allow these kinds of discussions.

RayonSunrise · 10/04/2024 04:59

I think our part has been talking about this while repeatedly being told to shut up.

Soontobe60 · 10/04/2024 04:56

saraclara · 10/04/2024 04:46

But she said this care was made even more difficult to provide by the polarised public debate, and the way in which opposing sides had “pointed to research to justify a position, regardless of the quality of the studies”.
“There are few other areas of healthcare where professionals are so afraid to openly discuss their views, where people are vilified on social media, and where name-calling echoes the worst bullying behaviour. This must stop.

If we're going to reflect on this report honestly and objectively, we also need to own that this branch of Mumsnet has played a part in that polarisation of public debate.

Please expand….

saraclara · 10/04/2024 04:46

But she said this care was made even more difficult to provide by the polarised public debate, and the way in which opposing sides had “pointed to research to justify a position, regardless of the quality of the studies”.
“There are few other areas of healthcare where professionals are so afraid to openly discuss their views, where people are vilified on social media, and where name-calling echoes the worst bullying behaviour. This must stop.

If we're going to reflect on this report honestly and objectively, we also need to own that this branch of Mumsnet has played a part in that polarisation of public debate.

LunaNorth · 10/04/2024 04:36

It speaks sense. As these pages have, for years.

crumpet · 10/04/2024 04:24

Has Kier commented yet? I want to see his take, before believing Labour, particularly as Annalise Dodds is digging in