Final Report Cass Review now published

Yes absolutely, and so the obvious conclusion is that it doesn't exist.

But how have we ended up with so many seemingly rational healthcare professionals signed up to an ideology? They can't all be trans or nonbinary themselves so I don't understand what their incentive was if the data was clearly not there to the point of stopping collection of it. Have any of them done interviews and explained their rationale?

So relived this is now out, after initially feeling elated that we have been vindicated, I’m now feeling depressed because it’s not over is it?
With the likes of Girl Guides (who now sell Pride keyrings) and schools not following government guidelines, are any of these “trans child” pushers going to listen to Cass and stop pushing their agenda?

But NHS records only record 'gender'. This can be changed at will (by creating new NHS record and transferring cross as much irrelevant as little data as desired, so genuinely possible to obfuscate biol sex). Rarely done prior to involvement of a GIC, but can be. So GIDS sex/gender data would be unreliable anyway - it may literally not be possible/realistic to provide this data.

They need to actually read the report and make sure all their MPs who spoke up supporting the conversion bill are briefed accurately. They won't.

We should take a lot at Hansard and make a note of the relevant MPs who 'need educating' with a copy of the Cass Review.

I suspect we will see a number of MPs continue to push misinformation post Cass Review. The SNP in particular find themselves in a 'curious position'.

We need to hold power to account now at this point. That means continuing to push rather than assuming that it's all over and everything is ok now.

My observation of the debate on Mumsnet (and I still feel like a newbie, only here for 18 months) it is far from polarised. It's very open, rooted in concern for people directly effected by the imposition of gender theories.

Young women being encouraged to do life-long damage to their bodies, young men ditto, young women in sport physically endangered by larger opponents, robbed of fairness in competition. Women's spaces opened up to any predatory man who chooses to access them.

And again and again, adult men being prioritised over adult women and over children of either sex.

Which means that if you had any data to support your ideology you would share it as widely as possible.

I agree with other posters who have said that any indication from Labour that they will implement the recommendations in Cass rather than burying it is hugely positive.

So GIDS likely knew the services they were offering were unlikely to stand up to evidence-based review, stopped collecting relevant data which would be useful for said review and carried on with the service regardless?

It baffles me that health care professionals would do this - and why. Surely you would want your ideology supported by data.

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The Cass Review looks likely to prove pontificating celebrities like David Tennant have not been the good guys they kept saying they were. Imagine lecturing the public to ignore kids with mental health conditions. “You absolute freaks”.

How can MN have a shared responsibility to this? Seriously?

MN criticised this type of behaviour for good reason. Cos ethical and clinical practice was binned and undue pressure applied and whistleblowers actively villified.

Please explain to me how, MN shares responsibility for silencing essential whistleblowing?

I can't find anything yet. P News is all quiet too.

Thank you, this has really helped me reframe some of my thinking.

Will catch up on R4 later, but currently listening to Times Radio.

Discussion with safeguarding minister just after 7am news. She was a bit weak to be honest, taking a we will look at the recommendations carefully line. Adam Boulton was all over it though. In a conversation between presenters at about 7:15, he pointed out that the embargoed report had been available for some days and so it was disappointing that the Safeguarding minister kept referring to the interim report, and didn't appear to have read the final version.

Times Radio have David Bell on after 8.

That's a very forgiving way of looking at it.

I suspect it might have been more because they knew their own data was very compelling evidence to support the rapid onset gender dysphoria theory trans activists claim has been debunked, and so they decided to stop collecting and recording it.

@saraclara why do you support sterilisation of children?

I agree 100%, which thinking about it is horrifying. They knew they were causing harm, irreparable harm.
@saraclara posters here have been talking about this for years, getting threats and being hounded for speaking out for protecting children. There is no both sides are as bad as each other.

Recommendation for no medical intervention until after 25 is an interesting one for universities to have to deal with on a number of levels...

Has there been any response yet from any high profile TRA's ?

GIDS refused to provide its data to Cass. And the graphs showing the rise in referrals only go from 2009 to 2016 (showing a sharp rise in adolescent females) because GIDS stopped recording referrals by birth sex after 2016.

To me that's an indication of when the lobby groups and cultists took over. I smell mermaids in particular

I'm sorry but no.

It's the whole, "Ukraine should seek peace with Russia" argument.

Ukraine has been defending itself on its own land. This war didn't need to happen. It could have been stopped at any point by the Russians. Ukraine can't just stop the war as otherwise Russia would have been in Kyiv.

MN was the defensive line. Women and children were under attack. We did not shift position in politics. We didn't want to change language. We didn't want to remove the rights of another group. We did not want to replace sex with gender. We did not want to undermine ethical medical practice. We did not want to bring ideology into medicine or education.

We stood exactly stock still whilst we had bricks thrown at us. We did not threaten on MN.

Other social media might have. Other groups might have.

But NOT MN.

We just called it for what it was. A cult like ideology which has no scientific basis which has come after women and kids.

I'm not going to 'own anything' other than say, MN has been saying everything in that goddam report for years and every attempt was made to stop us from saying those things.

I will not allow MN to be vilified in this.

Why would they have stopped recording birth sex? Surely that would need to be stated somewhere in a patient's notes so people knew what the transition was from and to. Genuinely don't understand that being left out unless it was ideological and thought to be detrimental to the patient to record something they were actively trying to move away from.

I was horrified to read that they had stopped collecting data on the sex of the referrals.

That seems dangerous, dishonest and obfuscating.

Ha! Wedged open the Overton window, more like.

Just had time to skim read this.

Two standout points for me.

GIDS refused to provide its data to Cass. And the graphs showing the rise in referrals only go from 2009 to 2016 (showing a sharp rise in adolescent females) because GIDS stopped recording referrals by birth sex after 2016.

😲

To me that reads like GIDS knew full well that what they were doing was highly unethical, did it anyway and have tried to cover their tracks.

It's the top story in the gooniad! I hope they will be apologising to all the journalists they drove out. And someone needs to check on poor little oj, he is not going to be ok this morning.