Biology is not as simple as one might think trust me i am a biologist….

@SinnerBoy Do I need to post my qualifications and job title ?

There's a market opportunity for an accessories range if only the right sort of fabric came available (and it didn't turn out to be Nessus' Shirt).

If the vipers of MN can't stand for children's safeguarding, recent history has demonstrated that very few professional bodies can be relied upon to fulfil this function.

Kucinghitam · Today 14:55

You realise that you are one of the self-appointed experts mentioned? Can you stop that, please. Just because you're an actual, real live expert, it doesn't mean that you're an expert.

Harrumph!

I used ‘….educational’ deliberately but was thinking ’viperish!’

I rejoice in my newfound ability to take no shit. Politely. Courteously. But none.

God, what a nest of vipers this place is.

Yes, it's kind of the Mumsnet brand.

Quoting myself from this morning, but this feels strangely prescient and relevant. I can't quite put my finger on why.

Is it in Classics?

He then started the next post with 'well actually' 🤣

🤣 I genuinely weep with laughter over that thread.

That was a good day. A post so succinct, that my mind's eye instantly conjured up said poster, tits, keyboard an all.

Now you mention it, there is more than a whiff of this.

"Oh thank GOD you're here! Thank you SO much. I've been using these magic boxes for over 20 years without a CLUE what I'm doing. I remember when the demon known as the internet came into my house. you'd have been about 5 back then. I have been keeping the evil at bay with chicken legs and candles. Thank goodness you've arrived.

Back when my job involved working on these machines all day, I just bashed them with my tits and hoped for the best.

I'm not actually sure how I managed to get on here, tbh. I was dusting it one day and all this stuff appeared."

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/parenting/2307274-I-am-everything-you-hate-about-people-on-the-internet-I-am-here-to-help?

@FlemishHorse of course you know you are who you say you are. That doesn’t diminish how frequently other people have arrived here claiming to be experts wanting to clear things up for us, having underestimated the remarkable pool of knowledge and experience already shared.

I remember fondly the young man who announced himself with, in essence, ‘man and IT expert here, to help you ladies with any IT issues you may be having’. The wit and snark he received was, well…. Educational!

It just means pretend, doesn't it.

It's the be kind brigade who are happy to play pretend for the sake of the hurtyfeelz. Us GC feminists who won't pretend that transwomen are women because of well thought through implications are then the bad guys.

FlemishHorse

As you are asking for peer reviewed articles, perhaps you'd like to reciprocate? No clownfish, or hermaphroditism in Platyhelminths, please!

DeanElderberry · Today 11:35

Weaponising qualifications and lack of same is classic internet argument though, not in any way confined to feminist or gender issues.

I was going to say "the rhetorical trick of appeal to authority," but damn if Helleofabore hasn't beaten me to it.

@FlemishHorse - sense of female self please , once you've finished with your snarky responses to @Helleofabore . It's a genuine question of mine.

I’m happy to let you have the last word.

(Oh bugger….)

So, that is a no to answering any questions then? So, you being a 'biologist' is really irrelevant to the entire discussion, isn't it?

You used it in that other thread as a plea to authority though as if being a biologist gave you some special insight that supported your belief that a male can be a woman.

I don't believe regular posters are confused that chromosomal sex is just part of the categorisation of humans into sex categories. We agree, chromosomes are complicated but they do not destabilise the categories of sex. In fact, considering that a great many of the conditions only ever impact one sex, it is remarkable how stable the sex categories of humans really is.

Thanks for clarifying.

I think of my dog as my furbaby, sadly, but it didn’t occur to me to expect the local nursery to offer him a place.

You can choose to perceive men as women, you can’t choose to allow them in women’s spaces or give them women’s prizes.

You can treat the emperor as wearing a fancy new suit, but most of us aren’t going to.

I was being (mildly) sarcastic…

Can you point us to the diagnosis test that shows that this is related to a biological condition please?

And I don't mean diagnosing DSD conditions. I am only referring to a diagnosis tool developed for identifying trans people.

Maybe you can point it out in the Cass report?

Can you explain how a female calf's DSD requiring the presence of a male calf is anyway related to a male human declaring they are a woman? You are the one who has made this point, along with males having nipples, you obviously feel that these points are relevant.

Male mammals typically have rudimentary nipples, with a very few exceptions.

It's not exclusive to humans.

I think you should justify your “belief” with links to the research in peer-reviewed publications.

Dear God, yes, men's nipples did get bandied about (as it were) (not by me I hasten to add). Were you there?