Biology is not as simple as one might think trust me i am a biologist….

Actually I know someone closely who is a biologist (as in degree in biology and working in a related field) and is totally TWAW. Of course she refuses to discuss anything to do with gender identity with me as it's easy to calmly dismantle anything she says, and then all she has left is desperate, shouty slogans. It really is very curious.

this fantastic array of intelligent, humorous, wise women

To be fair, I'm a right chump quite a bit of the time.

But I'm not in any doubt about which sex gives birth.

Shame I missed that thread. Were there clownfish?

Why did the thread disappear? I was lurking so didn’t see a deletion message

One thing that I have noticed over the past month, most definitely since the WPATH leaks, is that some of the usual posters who would post about how safe PBs are and how affirming only treatment is most definitely life saving and how the negative side effects are just like all other treatments and how it is transphobic to point out the negative side effects of these treatments. And that cutting breasts off 18 year old females is just 'gender affirming' treatment and nothing to discuss. Well... those posters have disappeared.... almost as if they have realised that no one is going to be believe their misinformation and fuckwittery anymore.

Most of the self identified scientists, safeguarding / mental health experts, lawyers, "worked with vulnerable children" etc are evidently just anti women transactivists who are normally quickly outed. Imho, they're immediately evident by their rigid thinking, use of random googling and an intense dislike of women that seeps out of their posts. Some claim to be feminists, women, mothers while their posts demonstrate they're nothing of the sort.

They're all singularly dismissive of women on here and keen to paint this fantastic array of intelligent, humorous, wise women as right wing bigots. The brilliant thing is, no matter how exasperating they are, eventually the rest of the board seems to post around them as they rant in to the wind about how awful this board is.

And yet she we persisted.😊

I think if you took a random sample of posters from this forum and asked, “What is the chromosomal cause of sex determination?” You would get a very high proportion who would answer, “The SRY gene, usually found on the Y chromosome“ as compared to the general public. There’s always the assumption that we are all dumb Brexiteering anti-vaxxers who need educating. Ageism and misogyny rolled into one bundle of insulting stereotypes, because insulting stereotypes really is all that this ideology has propping it up.

Blushing. Thank you. 😊

No. Sorry! I was paraphrasing..... a lot!

Did somebody really write that?! 🤣🤣🤣

I saw this and thought about all the biologists that we see on twitter who state something similar.

That one was stating that it was overly simple to discuss chromosomes, and that is true. However they then went into philosophical belief that was not scientifically proven.

Amount of oestrogen in your blood determines how much you like a flowery frock. I read that post but couldn't get angry about it. It was so silly. If I started testerone shots tomorrow I'd develop a love of DIY. Like what are they on about.

I agree with Richard Dawkins and Lord Winston on this one.

Ah, hi @Tinysoxxx ! Was just going to quote your post on that thread for those who missed it:

Another biologist here. Women are women. Men are men. Nothing can change that. If you are a man and pump yourself full of ‘female’ hormones you are still a man. If your brain structure changes or parts of your brain are removed, your sex doesn’t change.
It is that simple.

Thank goodness for biologists who are willing to spend valuable time explaining to adult women what sex hormones are! Now, if only FlemishHorse had clarified how these hormones make some humans that present as men have “a sense of self” as female, we'd all be a lot further along in our understanding.

If this were true, not only would it be a great leap forward for scientific knowledge; it would also provide the basis for a diagnostic test of 'transgenderism'. Wouldn't that be useful!

Did any of these people ever listen to Cersei in Game of Thrones (stone cold and brilliantly portrayed by Lena Headey) rant about the limitations of being a woman? Of how she had more balls than any of the men around her? And to be fair, many of the men were not desperate to get killed in battle because they were blokes! Rhaenyra says the same things 500 years before her, in narrative terms.

It isn't new to rail against sexist expectations. It isn't new to feel the sexist life planned out for you is unfair and unwanted. It's just that since the 1960s, people have been told you can change this with drugs and surgery but it's not true.

Women, men and trans people should pull together to expand the bandwidth of "man" and "woman " to give everyone a place.

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I think there is a certain amount of desperation around due to the final Cass review coming out tomorrow. There seem to be a greater number of posters identifying as scientists and biologists than previously.

Oh come on! Don't be so sceptical! I'm sure that some of them got Ds & Cs on O-Level Biology...

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Flemish Horse is on the ropes with that one (bit of a sailing joke there).

I think there is a certain amount of desperation around due to the final Cass review coming out tomorrow. There seem to be a greater number of posters identifying as scientists and biologists than previously. However, as soon as they post, it is immediately obvious that they are neither of those things.

This is the new-ish "hormonal sex" isn't it?

This is not a useful definition if sex by any stretch of the imagination.

A woman with excess androgens is not more male, and a man with low testosterone is not less male.

Artificially (or naturally) changing the levels of oestrogen and testosterone in the body does not a sex change make.

It's so not complicated, especially when you remove the dsd red herrings which don't exist at a higher rate in the trans community. Some people wish they were the opposite sex. They're not.

I noticed that OP but my eyes glazed over it. Ever since the Wiki Owner said don't trust what is on the wiki I have stopped trusting certain information from there. I'm more likely to trust a wiki post about hedgehog habitats or Pluto than I am about any regarding human biology (or modern day nazis).

Hah @LarkLane where I used to live it was if you worked at Royces. Very important job apparently, even if you were in the security hut letting the workers in.

Don't forget the mysterious High Powered White Collar Job.

Which always reminds me of an oddball neighbour I used to have who kept insisting that he was very important as he was a Fitter at Fords in Speke.