Scottish Hate Crime Bill: Andrew Doyle asks all the right questions of Barrister Sam Fowles

Oh I know, @ILikeDungs, I could not believe that RMW produced that slide. I spluttered my wine all down my jumper.

Did RMW say that Australia keeps records unlike the UK? I thought he said that.

How does he know what records the UK keeps? I wonder if he has previously advised them not to? I mean, what with being a barrister and all.

I am suggesting that anyone accusing others of culture war mongering are implicating themselves.

And I was slated for querying a headline about a "woman" attempting to abduct two children recently.

Good point. And the BBC's coverage of Scarlet Blake, which referred to Blake as a woman throughout and actually misled many of the public into thinking that they were reading/hearing about a murder committed by a female perpetrator.

Quite! It is the so called 'Progressive American Left' that is leading the charge....all else is resistance.

'Identity' has become what 'social class' used to be for the British Left. The U.S has never had a Socialist party. Both U.S parties have always been committed to the capitalist system and economy. Contemporary identity politics stems from that.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · Today 09:42

If the left wing media decides to stick its head in the sand, pretend everything is fine, and not report on this issue, it can hardly compain about the right wing media being allowed to control the narrative.

The Guardian and BBC are not just sticking their heads in the sand, (they are) they actively lie in some cases. They make victims out of the offenders, as did the Guardian, over the Wi Spa pervert.

If the left wing media decides to stick its head in the sand, pretend everything is fine, and not report on this issue, it can hardly compain about the right wing media being allowed to control the narrative.

Personally, I think if there's a culture war, its one being done against us.

Are you suggesting that at some point the far right might get involved in this debate?

The left is perfectly capable of joining in at any point. We'll see whether the publication of the Cass Report might prompt some reflection. Guardian investigation into how the NHS was allowed to sterilise vulnerable children, perhaps?

Exactly!!

The left is perfectly capable of joining in at any point. We'll see whether the publication of the Cass Report might prompt some reflection. Guardian investigation into how the NHS was allowed to sterilise vulnerable children, perhaps?

Everything is missing from it!! There's bugger all info on anything. It could be a sample of two people.

The research/data is unpublished and I can't find any record of it. So it's pretty much useless as nobody can check to see what evidence/sample/methods were used.

But it's the only specific reference I could find that could support the barrister's assertion. Could be I'm not looking in the right place. Or it could be that like 85% of statistics, it was made up on the spot.

There's an underlying assumption that the far right plays culture war all by itself.
It takes two to tango.

The other thing missing from ArabellaScott’s link is the sex of the victims; they could all be female. It also at any point in their life so could be pre-transition; we know abuse can be a trigger for young girls to want to disassociate with their sex.

Or it could male transgender prostitutes

https://www.openaccessgovernment.org/97-of-women-in-the-uk/105940/

Isn't the rate for women higher than that?

Yes, seriously. That's what Fox News is doing in the US. And there are international actors who are playing similar games across borders.

GB News is similar - this particular guy may be alright but I don't like that the only platforms I can hear someone talk about this issue are right wing.

TBH at this stage I'm just glad someone is able to talk about it, because it needs awareness.

Yes, seriously. That's what Fox News is doing in the US. And there are international actors who are playing similar games across borders.

GB News is similar - this particular guy may be alright but I don't like that the only platforms I can hear someone talk about this issue are right wing. I am annoyed that the left has to go along with it.

Well said OP.

And yet SF came across as a bumbling idiot who threw around misogynistic hyperbole as if it were going out of fashion. I suppose everyone has their off days or finds themselves out of their professional depth from time to time - I would have hoped Joanna Cherry’s superior knowledge and insight on this issue would have rubbed off on him but sadly not.

Yes.

SF acted for Joanna Cherry et al concerning their action against prorogation of Parliament.

SF was one of the three authors responsible for the written submission. I don't know how much influence Cherry had about the selection but I should think she's senior enough to have had someone removed if she considered them ill-suited to the task.

Sam Fowles (@SamFowles) is a Barrister at Cornerstone Barristers. He was junior counsel to Joanna Cherry QC MP and others in the Cherry/Miller cases

https://ukconstitutionallaw.org/2019/09/26/sam-fowles-cherry-miller-whats-next/

SF claims that "90% of what we are doing is not law, it's dealing with facts, it's dealing with people and the unique situations that people find themselves in. And if we try and treat the law as some sort of antiseptic science then you don't understand it properly in my view." SF talks about the role of facts, evidence, and the fundamental value of individuals. (YT video of the lecture.)

I would like to see SF encompass women within that. Despite the bravura post the AD-interview, I'd like to think that SF is capable of reflecting on that performance and deciding to investigate GI with due diligence to the point of being confident to put up decent arguments with verifiable citations, data, facts, evidence. I would like to see SF study up to be the evidenced advocate for gender ideology that so many have wished to see. It would certainly help Helen Joyce (and others) to write another book if they didn't have to supply arguments themselves, by default. (Legacy of "No debate!" or an absence of rationality or evidence?)

Andrew also covered the WPATH files, which were offered to other stations, but no-one wanted to know