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MrsOvertonsWindow · 07/04/2024 09:25

The NAS / UWT's submission to the consultation focused on the legal problems that could put schools in the legal firing line from trans lobby groups. Transgender Trend also highlighted this in their submission.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 07/04/2024 09:22

WarriorN · 07/04/2024 09:16

@ArabellaScott was that the "unlawful" bit schools week were jabbering in about?

There was a leak from some government lawyers pointing out the guidelines could be subject to legal challenge and sadly that's what we really need. Or the government to get its act together and amend legislation to ensure that safeguarding children cannot be set aside in favour of the demands from adults that children should be allowed to sex change. That the pc of gender reassignment does not apply to 3 year olds (or 7, 11, 13 or 15 year olds)

ArabellaScott · 07/04/2024 09:20

I wonder if we're looking at a rewrite of the EA?

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ArabellaScott · 07/04/2024 09:19

WarriorN · 07/04/2024 09:16

@ArabellaScott was that the "unlawful" bit schools week were jabbering in about?

Yes, I can't find links to VP's direct decision but it's reported last July:

https://archive.is/GtBRt

And she said that to ban social transition the govt would have to bring in new legislation.

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MrsOvertonsWindow · 07/04/2024 09:18

WarriorN · 07/04/2024 09:06

Ministers had considered an outright ban on social transitioning, but Victoria Prentis, the Attorney General, advised that such a move would be unlawful under the Equality Act 2010'

I would like to know more about this

I think (IANAL) it's because the pc of Gender Reassignment is considered to apply to children? Therefore the requirements must apply to children - no matter how young.
When the GRA / Equality Act were written nobody thought we'd have so many powerful adults and groups targeting children to think that pubertal angst could be solved with a sex change. So there was no clarification of age and there's no case law about age etc.

WarriorN · 07/04/2024 09:17

Whilst the bbc and guardian may be shit in reporting on this, we can bet our bottom dollars that JK will be talking about it a lot.

And making sure all are listening

WarriorN · 07/04/2024 09:16

@ArabellaScott was that the "unlawful" bit schools week were jabbering in about?

ArabellaScott · 07/04/2024 09:09

Helleofabore · 07/04/2024 08:41

I can only assume that Dr Cass’ team saw those latest studies and evaluated them too for the final report.

And that some of the recent movements from organisations is because they know what the report will say.

Do you mean the Webberleys sacking all the staff from GenderGP?

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ArabellaScott · 07/04/2024 09:08

WarriorN · 07/04/2024 09:06

Ministers had considered an outright ban on social transitioning, but Victoria Prentis, the Attorney General, advised that such a move would be unlawful under the Equality Act 2010'

I would like to know more about this

That was round about the time the school draft guidelines came out iirc

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WarriorN · 07/04/2024 09:06

Ministers had considered an outright ban on social transitioning, but Victoria Prentis, the Attorney General, advised that such a move would be unlawful under the Equality Act 2010'

I would like to know more about this

WarriorN · 07/04/2024 09:00

I suspect that Cass has been so delayed as a number of other studies were due to be published from which important data and summaries have been referenced.

And the schools guidance relies heavily on Cass.

It sounds like Cass will also cite the impact and influence of schools too.

it feels like someone made a huge map underground and spent some time moving the pieces and making the links to establish the order in which things have had to work.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 07/04/2024 08:48

Hopefully @BonfireLady the school guidelines have deliberately been held back in order to cite Cass. The complete legal mess with no case law to refute the dangerous assertion that pc of Gender Reassignment applies to children - all children no matter how young - legally undermines the guidelines.

It's a mess of epic proportions as none of the writers of the original legislation (GRA / Equality Act) realised that self invested adults and groups would be able to persuade society that sex change for children was needed.

334bu · 07/04/2024 08:45

Thank you for link.

Helleofabore · 07/04/2024 08:41

I can only assume that Dr Cass’ team saw those latest studies and evaluated them too for the final report.

And that some of the recent movements from organisations is because they know what the report will say.

BonfireLady · 07/04/2024 08:36

Excellent stuff!

It's a shame that the Telegraph chooses to use the term "transgender children" when reporting it, but otherwise a great write-up. And of course a significant improvement on the BBC's obfuscation and omissions on the whole subject so far. I share the above scepticism on whether they will report this at all when it comes out.

Hopefully this report will be significant in countering the dangerously ignorant submissions of the EHRC and UK Paediatrics and Child Health to the draft government guidance on Gender Questioning Children. Also, it should hopefully be helpful in the current court cases being brought by Sue Evans (challenging why private clinics are allowed to prescribe puberty blockers) and Anna Castle (challenging 16+ year olds being fast-tracked in to the WPATH-aligned adult care pathway).

As there is no imminent sign of either the final version of the schools' guidance or any mandatory safeguarding approach (e.g. Liz Truss' Bill getting backing from the government), this report will be incredibly significant for everyone who is fighting the enforced belief of gender identity in schools, as well as in getting better mental health support for the children and young people who are caught up in this awful medical scandal.

WarriorN · 07/04/2024 07:23

Excellent

RedToothBrush · 07/04/2024 06:31

MrsOvertonsWindow · 06/04/2024 22:06

This is so important. Anyone with an ounce of common sense knows that pretending to a child that they're the opposite sex is screwing with their psychological development. Let alone the harm caused by stopping puberty.

If this is as the Telegraph report, then the adults have finally returned to the room and society can start again to safeguard children again from this adult ideology.

I bet the review doesn't touch on psychological harm to others children around the socially transitioned one either.

Quite honestly I regard parents who socially transition their child at primary school complete monsters.

RedToothBrush · 07/04/2024 06:22

ArabellaScott · 06/04/2024 21:38

'Transgender children face grave psychological consequences if they are allowed to “socially transition”, a landmark review is expected to say this week.

The warning comes amid a huge rise in the number of children identifying as transgender, and deep concern that schools have been allowing pupils to change gender without their parents’ knowledge, despite Government guidance to the contrary.

The Cass review into gender identity services for children, which will be published on Wednesday, has promised to consider the “important role of schools” and the challenges they face in responding to “gender-questioning” pupils.'

Cass Review in a 'no shit Sherlock' conclusion to anyone who has come across or thinks for more than about 5 minutes about the subject rather than repeating mantras.

Runor · 07/04/2024 06:02

I do hope that the report is clear enough to immediately and directly challenge the teaching unions - lots of them seem to think it is teachers who should be deciding whether children should be allowed (or even encouraged) to socially transition

MrsOvertonsWindow · 06/04/2024 23:28

AnneLovesGilbert · 06/04/2024 23:16

Thank you for the copy and paste, this sounds fantastic. Is there any chance it might not be all we hope?

I've no doubt it will be carefully and diplomatically phrased. Cass is taking on the medical / political / education establishments (plus the BBC / media) who have all swallowed the transactivist line hook, line and sinker. But she's already been explicit that socially transitioning children is not a neutral act.

I can't see it likely that she'll support what is in effect an unevidenced mass psychological experiment on children.

Society is going to have to work out how to get all these organisations across that golden bridge and most importantly, how to support all the children & families who've been sold this lie that sex change is possible and will cure their allied mental health problems.

AnneLovesGilbert · 06/04/2024 23:16

Thank you for the copy and paste, this sounds fantastic. Is there any chance it might not be all we hope?

TitusMoan · 06/04/2024 22:58

Boiledbeetle · 06/04/2024 22:38

Roll on Wednesday. The TRAs will be having conniptions

Don’t you mean, ‘their existence will be literally erased’ ?

😉

WinterTrees · 06/04/2024 22:48

Is next week Emma Barnett's last one at Woman's Hour? Just in time to go out with a bang on this (because I doubt any of the other presenters will touch it.)

SidewaysOtter · 06/04/2024 22:47

Well, well, well.

And how are the “affirmation only” crowd going to spin this?

ArabellaScott · 06/04/2024 22:44

Madcats · 06/04/2024 22:30

I wonder how the BBC are going to report this one? I doubt that it will get a mention on the website or TV, but it ought to sneak onto R4.

Justin is scheduled to present Today on Wednesday with Jonny Dymond, with Nick Robinson and Jonny on Thursday. Dare we hope Women's Hour will invite somebody who knows what they are talking about as well?

Some other media outlet should be reporting on the BBC's lack of reporting, misinformation, and bias.

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