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ArabellaScott · 09/04/2024 08:00

It always had to fall eventually.

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WarriorN · 09/04/2024 07:57

Shamefully the group lobbying for children to be transitioned, Stonewall, were allowed to write that paragraph in KCSIE. They boasted about it online.
Yet another example of how this ideology has been able to influence every aspect of guidance and legislation to the detriment of children's safety.

Yes and part of the motion includes a rigorous online campaign about it. As young teachers are encouraged to use edutwitter, they'll see it. This is a deliberate and dangerous ploy.

I hope that schools guidance will be statutory. It needs to be.

domineastronomy · 09/04/2024 07:55

Feeling so positive about this.

WarriorN · 09/04/2024 07:54

FinallyASunnyDay · 09/04/2024 07:48

Placemarking. The above snippets make me more excited about tomorrow than I am about Christmas.

It's the holidays and I was definitely very on edge yesterday

334bu · 09/04/2024 07:53

Very important day tomorrow.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 09/04/2024 07:53

WarriorN · 09/04/2024 07:42

Yes words used and clarity of language is incredibly important here.

The NEU motion that was passed about campaigning against the gov guidance uses the exact words that are in KCSIE, that "being lgbt isn't in itself a safeguarding issue."

This needs better clarification and the T needs to be divorced from the LGB within that document. And then the safeguarding issues carefully spelt out.

Both the fact that it can indicate other safeguarding issues, as well as social transition carrying significant psychological and physical harms.

Shamefully the group lobbying for children to be transitioned - Stonewall - were allowed to write that paragraph in KCSIE. They boasted about it online.
Yet another example of how this ideology has been able to influence every aspect of guidance and legislation to the detriment of children's safety.

https://twitter.com/Nancy_M_K/status/1678389660383338496

FinallyASunnyDay · 09/04/2024 07:48

Placemarking. The above snippets make me more excited about tomorrow than I am about Christmas.

WarriorN · 09/04/2024 07:42

Yes words used and clarity of language is incredibly important here.

The NEU motion that was passed about campaigning against the gov guidance uses the exact words that are in KCSIE, that "being lgbt isn't in itself a safeguarding issue."

This needs better clarification and the T needs to be divorced from the LGB within that document. And then the safeguarding issues carefully spelt out.

Both the fact that it can indicate other safeguarding issues, as well as social transition carrying significant psychological and physical harms.

borntobequiet · 09/04/2024 07:40

Yes, this was the bit that stood out for me too in the Times report, so I’ll copy it again

It is expected to say that children who want to change their sex should not be moved over to adult gender clinics when they are as young as 17. Dame Hilary Cass is also expected to recommend that they should retain the same support team that they had as adolescents because the brain is still developing until the age of 25. She is expected to advise doctors and clinicians to exercise caution.

I think this is so important, because there will be 15 and 16 year old children who would otherwise bide their time for something that is no further away than sixth form is, telling their parents “when I’m 17 I can do what I want”. But 25? That’s Grown Up Land, well beyond their comfort zone, practically ancient.

ResisterRex · 09/04/2024 07:35

The next grift - arguably already here - will be "neurodiversity inclusion". It's a new, vague and liberally applied label, which already serves to ward off questions. I hope whatever is meant by "neurodiversity" is spelled out in this report. If Cass means autism, say autism. Don't allow important issues to become collapsed into badges and signatures and "training" again. Enough. We've had enough of this and we know where it leads.

BonfireLady · 09/04/2024 07:34

WarriorN · 09/04/2024 05:12

The Telegraph understands that the report will find that children who think they are trans disproportionately have mental health issues such as a difficult family situation or having suffered from abuse. They are also more likely to be neurodiverse.

Suffering from abuse. KCSIE now

I really hope that whatever wording she uses in the report is enough for those making decisions in the DfE to grab (be forced to hold?**) the baton and join everything up 🤞

**If it's laid out in unambiguous terms that any children who declare a gender identity that differs from their sex are likely to have mental health issues and/or be suffering from abuse, there is a point where it is impossible to say that there is no safeguarding issue.

Also, on a related note, it's great to see mention of "up to 25 years". EHCPs cover children and adolesents up to 25 years old because of their vulnerability. Even though the Cass Review is only for under 18s, again it is passing out the baton very clearly to those in education and healthcare (there is an NHS review of adult services due soon) to join everything up.

DisappearingGirl · 09/04/2024 07:32

Before the shit hits the fan, I just want to say how brave I think Dr Cass and her team are for taking this on.

Topofthemountain · 09/04/2024 07:30

The Telegraph understands that the report will find that children who think they are trans disproportionately have mental health issues such as a difficult family situation or having suffered from abuse. They are also more likely to be neurodiverse.

Exactly what posters on this board have been saying for years. I'm not sure whether to be relieved that it is finally being acknowledged or angry that the issue, that was blindingly obvious, was ignored.

Helleofabore · 09/04/2024 07:30

Of course, the proof will be whether the new centres end up just like the old centres. And they seem to be shaping up as just moving the team to a new location but maybe this is not true. And I hope it is not the team moving location.

ResisterRex · 09/04/2024 07:29

KCSIE and the PHSE/RSE lessons must be tackled in a clear and legally robust way. I'm tired of hearing about the Equality Act. It is not the only consideration and it damn well never was. Authorities have to balance all the matters and issues. The elevation of of one Stonewalled piece of law has to end.

Helleofabore · 09/04/2024 07:27

RoyalCorgi · 09/04/2024 06:55

Similar kind of thing in the Times:

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/rishi-sunak-gender-identity-children-cass-report-h3k6m9rq3

This paragraph is particularly significant, and I think will be fundamental in ending the pipeline of teenagers to surgery and hormones:

"It is expected to say that children who want to change their sex should not be moved over to adult gender clinics when they are as young as 17. Dame Hilary Cass is also expected to recommend that they should retain the same support team that they had as adolescents because the brain is still developing until the age of 25. She is expected to advise doctors and clinicians to exercise caution."

Blimey! That is positive. It is like so many of the things I have written in consultations.

I wonder if Dr Cass has set up special care for detransitioners?

ArabellaScott · 09/04/2024 07:19

WarriorN · 09/04/2024 05:12

The Telegraph understands that the report will find that children who think they are trans disproportionately have mental health issues such as a difficult family situation or having suffered from abuse. They are also more likely to be neurodiverse.

Suffering from abuse. KCSIE now

I'm so glad this is being spelled out.

I really, really hope lots of people are thinking quietly about whats going on. What's been going on. And what terrible thi gs have been done in the name of 'trans'.

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ArabellaScott · 09/04/2024 07:18

RoyalCorgi · 09/04/2024 06:55

Similar kind of thing in the Times:

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/rishi-sunak-gender-identity-children-cass-report-h3k6m9rq3

This paragraph is particularly significant, and I think will be fundamental in ending the pipeline of teenagers to surgery and hormones:

"It is expected to say that children who want to change their sex should not be moved over to adult gender clinics when they are as young as 17. Dame Hilary Cass is also expected to recommend that they should retain the same support team that they had as adolescents because the brain is still developing until the age of 25. She is expected to advise doctors and clinicians to exercise caution."

Oh, wow. It's like someone waking up after a fever dream. Is this it, at last?

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RoyalCorgi · 09/04/2024 06:55

Similar kind of thing in the Times:

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/rishi-sunak-gender-identity-children-cass-report-h3k6m9rq3

This paragraph is particularly significant, and I think will be fundamental in ending the pipeline of teenagers to surgery and hormones:

"It is expected to say that children who want to change their sex should not be moved over to adult gender clinics when they are as young as 17. Dame Hilary Cass is also expected to recommend that they should retain the same support team that they had as adolescents because the brain is still developing until the age of 25. She is expected to advise doctors and clinicians to exercise caution."

Rishi Sunak: Allowing children to change gender is ‘not a neutral act’

Cass report into gender services expected to recommend that young people be barred from using adult clinics until they are 25

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/rishi-sunak-gender-identity-children-cass-report-h3k6m9rq3

Lovelyview · 09/04/2024 05:26

Watching with interest (and hope).

WarriorN · 09/04/2024 05:15

Dr Cass’s final report is expected to conclude that there could be many complex reasons a child may think they are in the wrong gender.

It is believed to advise therapists that children presenting as trans may have had other complex issues such as a difficult family situation, having* suffered from abuse, or having been* exposed to pornography too early.

For this reason, cases need to be judged holistically.

The review is also believed to conclude that if you allow a very young child to <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/o/GwRIy/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/04/05/union-against-schools-telling-parents-child-changes-gender/" rel="nofollow" target="blank">socially transitionon they are more likely to grow up to have a fixed trans identity later in life, rather than their gender distress being resolved by other means.*

WarriorN · 09/04/2024 05:12

The Telegraph understands that the report will find that children who think they are trans disproportionately have mental health issues such as a difficult family situation or having suffered from abuse. They are also more likely to be neurodiverse.

Suffering from abuse. KCSIE now

WarriorN · 09/04/2024 05:11

Came to post, riding my wave of insomnia. I'm searching for Cass on Twitter

I'm becoming more hopeful. The above is exactly what needs to be added to kcsie, urgently

AnneLovesGilbert · 08/04/2024 22:40

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/04/08/trans-children-mental-health-issues/

https://archive.ph/GwRIy

First few paragraphs:

Children who believe they are transgender may actually have mental health issues, a landmark report is set to find this week.

It is expected to advise that children are not rushed onto a path to change gender, and that they receive counselling which addresses the <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/o/GwRIy/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/04/06/children-socially-transition-face-grave-psychological-risks/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">mental health issues may have rather than being put on drugs.

Dr Hillary Cass, a paediatrician, will on Wednesday unveil her <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/o/GwRIy/www.telegraph.co.uk/columnists/2024/04/09/cass-report-trans-children-have-been-lied-to-by-adults/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">long-awaited review into how transgender children are supported and the medical treatment they receive.

It comes amid concern that children are being allowed to change gender in school<a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/o/GwRIy/chase.telegraph.co.uk/etc/telegraph-author/v2/edit/40688100-f35e-11ee-a2d7-52e29cc54cb3" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> without their parents’ knowledge or consent, and after the routine prescription of puberty blockers was banned by NHS England.

The Telegraph understands that the report will find that children who think they are trans disproportionately have mental health issues such as a difficult family situation or having suffered from abuse. They are also more likely to be neurodiverse.

Children must not be rushed to change gender, report warns

Young people who believe they are transgender may have mental health problems, a major review is set to find

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/04/08/trans-children-mental-health-issues/

Maaate · 08/04/2024 16:33

"You may choose to look the other way but you can never say again that you did not know.”

Quote from William Wilberforce on the proposed abolition of slavery.

Thought it relevant here now the dam is breaking