Cass review - out on Wednesday

I think it is a dying moment article in the Guardian hopefully. It would be poor journalism to report on such in an important report then in an opinion piece essentially get and discredit it.

More than that.

The report doesn't refer to gender dysphoria. It says it is different and separate to gender incongruity.

It slams the use of unscientific language in medicine relating to trans.

Language matters hugely and this says it. All those words to say women without saying women matter too.

All these people who are all 'be kind' because of dysphoria and the automatic assumption that if you are questioning your gender you are trans is important.

1. The separation creates two groups. If one group isn't dysphoric, what is it? There are multiple ways this could go from this point - the group who aren't dysphoric could be made up of multiple groups. This is important in the context of late transitioning males in that it cuts that ability to link to and use kids as a justification for their position (MNetters please challenge the posters who will continue to lump everyone into one group for their personal agenda going forward). And it perhaps raises questions about adults and whether there are also more than one group - one which is dysphoric and one that is not.
2. It has a massive stress on safeguarding and not assuming anything. Schools and unions take note. Keep your LGBT groups and advocates under control because this report gives parents the ammunition to come after you.
3. Cis is ideological language and should not be being used at all with kids or in a medical setting. (Hello education programmes).

It effectively is saying don't assume someone has they have a gender identity if they say they have one (hey let's talk about forms recording gender especially where it concerns under 25s. It's literally bollocks and not worth the paper it's written on. This should affect adult data recording too cos of the 18 - 25 bracket).

And that's just the tip of the iceberg with it.

I think the point about huge pressure to transition is a really important one generally too.

You can't consent if you are undue pressure. Thus even gillick competent kids can't necessarily consent. We should be stressing this.

Implications for online disinformation and content are interesting here. Pro-Ana and pro-suicide sites fall foul of the Online Harms Act. Encouraging anyone under 25 to transition online just got messy in the UK. Massive implications for social media and media providers imo.

As for all those MPs who stood up in parliament trying to push through the LGBT anti-conversion bill... Well that just got bloody embarrassing.

Oh how funny. Except of course it's not.

The Cass Review is going to get quoted to a lot of idiots rather a lot.

Is this the point we can say on MN 'we told you so'?

Not sure how they can live with themselves ignoring the clear issues the way that article does. It is like they are trying to reinstate the previous norm in the dying moments.

Dr Cass is on Radio 4 today at 7:30

It was the 1st headline news on today programme

Isn't he just.

He says it should be a watershed for the NHS. That's not enough for me. It should be a watershed for Labour Party Policy. It should be a watershed for clamping down on a whole pile of online disinformation and challenging abuse of women who have fought on this matter in the face of activism HE PERSONALLY helped to shape. It should be a watershed for listening to the female electorate and being about Misogyny in Politics and How it Affects The Participation Of Women.

It won't be.

Any comment from the Lib Dems or Greens? Or are they just in denial and ignoring the whole inconvenience of it?

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2024/apr/10/mother-criticises-agenda-from-above-cass-report-trans

The guardian had this piece ready to go at one minute past midnight.
As you might expect it's all about bemoaning waiting lists, describes puberty blockers as "pause buttons" and has a bit of smearing the report as being politically motovated.
Dicks.

Pay close attention Today today...

"Although some think the clinical
approach should be based on a social justice model, the nhs works in an evidence based way."

x.com/soniasodha/status/1777835202946974048?s=46&t=A2fpFNgDRyXF2d6ye97wEA

Sonia has pulled some key parts:

Crikey I'm bleary eyed and no contacts, hoping it's good news to wake to.

The most depressing thing about the initial reports on the Report is that they’re all things we’ve been discussing here for years:

Poor evidence
High rates of autism needing looking for
Poor mental health co-morbidities
Detransitioner regret

And so on, and so on. It’s 388 pages, but that’s a condensed version of multitudes of threads saying all this for years.

I've put this on another thread, but this is a comprehensive summary if you don't want to read the entire thing.

threadreaderapp.com/thread/1777834145470693643.html

My heart breaks for those poor kids.

Here you go

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/09/health/europe-transgender-youth-hormone-treatments.html?ugrp=c&unlocked_article_code=1.jU0.yhrQ.vitCe--U_Fjw&smid=url-share

Readers Pick comments all support the review.

The Times they are a-changin'.

I’m also delaying the reading until tomorrow but before I go to bed I just wanted to say (and I never thought I’d be thankful for a Tory) Sajid Javid’s short term as Health Secretary (Kemi Badenoch in the Equalities role) should be commemorated with a box of Roses today!

I agree.

Because Labour don't understand the magnitude of allowing/encouraging what has become a trendy thing to do?

Don't make me laugh!

Noone knows what Labour would do.

The point here isn't political, its about the impact gender reassignment has on young people who frankly.may not know which gender they are or kniw which sex they are attracted to.

Finally though some sense should be applied from now onwards, at least for children...

I’m also delaying the reading until tomorrow but before I go to bed I just wanted to say (and I never thought I’d be thankful for a Tory) Sajid Javid’s short term as Health Secretary (Kemi Badenoch in the Equalities role) should be commemorated with a box of Roses today!

April 2022: https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/24/sajid-javid-plans-review-of-impact-of-gender-dysphoria-treatment

April 2023:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-65245498.amp

Javid was only in the Health Secretary job for 13 months and I don’t think we’d have gotten here if it had gone straight from Matt Hancock to Steve Barclay.

Sajid Javid: NHS let gender ideology replace children’s best interest

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/f84bc183-0f0a-4b28-b365-9fb6fb3fbf69?shareToken=8bc79fa2d15f9707d1c2b7c127ebe02a

Interesting that 'gender dysphoria' is used over 'trans'. If someone is trans, then surely questioning that fact is transphobic. If someone is gender dysphoric, it seems sensible to discuss the dysphoria.

It looks like the report is shifting toward a more medicalised view of gender issues than rainbow flag blanket acceptance.

Time for a quick group hug before I switch the light off.

Interesting fact that the collective noun for ferrets is a business. I think the Cass report is going to trigger multiple businesses of ferrets in very rapid reverse.

I am switching between utter relief and blind fury right now. How many children had to be harmed before the TRA hype was challenged by hard facts.
How many people will be claiming they never meant children should be medically transitioning.

Some numbers, then I'm off to bed (I'm trying to ignore the AFAB AMAB grrr)

I wonder if the usual suspects here will have anything to say come the morning?

me too <sob>

We’re not out of the woods yet, but this feels like a watershed moment. As we’ve known all along, the emperor has no clothes, and now mainstream media are printing it.

This report has got to be the downfall of the mainstream media and corporations defaulting to TWAW. I imagine a lot of PR departments will be shitting themselves tomorrow. It was all very nice as a bandwagon when it was just #bekind and an easy way to get PR brownie points, but going against an independent review that officially finds this attitude harms children is going to be a PR disaster for any organisation foolish enough to attempt to do so (to put it mildly).

No one who isn’t a dyed in the wool online TRA is going to go anywhere near this now. That means that eventually only the true believers will be left, their grip on public discourse and policy a mere memory.

We did this, my fellow women. For years, we’ve refused to sit down and shut up. I am so very proud to be part of the sisterhood.

And the rest. just off the top of my head we have had-Jo Phoenix, the WPATH debacle, various Scottish train wrecks and now this (Sail Grover would be the icing on the cake but the Aussies seem even more gender woo than us, so not wildly hopeful). Ive said before, this is the year the wheels on the gender bus come off for good. Not before time, either.