Cass review - out on Wednesday

Coherence has never been a strong point of TRAs, but they need to start acknowledging the sub groups that exist within their conceptualisation of who is transgender.

That would be best but it would be catastrophic from the point of view of the extreme trans activists for whom the whole point is to have a monolithic group "trans" to sit under the construct of an LGBTQ+ umbrella.

I can't be arsed trawling TRA twitter, but I did just switch to my sock account to go find IWs take on things! (You'll need to click on image my tech won't let me crop the image this morning)

Sigh.

The TRA backlash seems to fall into 2 camps. One suggesting that CASS cherry picked the research she considered. However, she used the standard protocol expected in the field of healthcare for evaluation the quality of research. The objection is around pathologising what they suggest isn't an illness. However, the report focuses only on those seeking healthcare for their distress.

Coherence has never been a strong point of TRAs, but they need to start acknowledging the sub groups that exist within their conceptualisation of who is transgender.

Those people living their bests lives whilst wearing what they like and dating who they choose etc. should carry on unaffected. Those who want healthcare due to distress, or medicine/surgery, they need to accept that there is a universal standard that must be followed - to protect them!!

I agree with you. But Ballsy thinks he has to carry on singing TRSOH hymn sheet, and we all know why.

Redshoeblueshoe · Today 07:52

Ed Balls saying kids are not going to be able to get what they NEED, Kate Garraway interjected - WANT.

Is he an example of nominative determinism?

I disagree. At this point no.

He is in a position of influence and this is an official report.

It was his opportunity to change tact. He chose not to. He is not acknowledging anything from the report as being valid. He is trying to undermine it's entirety.

He doesn't WANT to admit it.

He's the grown up and sometimes the adult responsibility is challenge views where appropriate because the evidence has become too overwhelming to ignore.

He's trying to not just ignore but discredit.

Key point: He did not have to put in a public appearance today

I think Hannah was pointing out that if you think a hammer is the only tool you need, you will see everything as a nail.

There are many causes of gender distress and there need to be as many treatment pathways to match this.

These treatment pathways already exist, what is needed is effective assessment to put 'patients' on the right pathway. The issue is chronic under funding across the piece.

It’ll be interesting to see if any of the high profile beee kind/what are you wims moaning about podcasts - looking at you rest is politics will cover this

and whether the like of Caitlin “won’t touch the issue with a barge pole” Moran will say anything

Ed Balls has to say that, because [we know why].

Ed Balls. Where is your evidence for this.

Ed Balls saying kids are not going to be able to get what they NEED, Kate Garraway interjected - WANT.

It must be noted that she's not saying no one will ever transition

She said clearly on r4 that there will be a small minority for whom medical transition will be the appropriate treatment.

However it sounds like it won't be pbs.

I'm imagining that they will be taking ok board some of the issues that Ritchie Heron had, specifically that he needed the psych support but was forced to transition to access it

Caught the R4 Today headlines this morning and was surprised by the clear language used. I will listen to the Cass interview on catch-up later.

I also read the Times summary of the key findings of the review. I kept saying to DH "this reads like the 'No Shit Sherlock' of everything MNers have been saying for fucking years!"

Hilary Cass commenting in the Mail.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13290077/NHS-gender-treatment-children-based-remarkably-weak-evidence-landmark-report-finds.html

'This is an area of remarkably weak evidence, and yet results of studies are exaggerated or misrepresented by people on all sides of the debate.

'There are few other areas of healthcare where professionals are so afraid to openly discuss their views, where people are vilified on social media, and where name-calling echoes the worst bullying behaviour. This must stop.

That Guardian article is a very good illustration of why they (and others like them) have been part of the problem.

Here's Julie Bindel's take on Cass:

https://archive.ph/EzoWz

Guardian (sorry if it's already been posted) https://www.theguardian.com/society/2024/apr/10/children-are-being-used-as-a-football-hilary-cass-on-her-review-of-gender-identity-services

Some of the coverage not already posted here, I think:

Mail

NHS's gender treatment model for children is demolished in bombshell report: Teens suffered irreversible changes based on 'remarkably weak evidence'

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13290077/NHS-gender-treatment-children-based-remarkably-weak-evidence-landmark-report-finds.html

Everything you need to know about the sweeping 400-page Cass report, including why it was set-up four years ago and what has happened since

www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-13288717/Everything-need-know-sweeping-400-page-Cass-report-including-set-four-years-ago-happened-since.html

The Times

The Times view on the NHS gender identity scandal: Prescription for Disaster

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/4d38a355-b6c6-41a0-96dd-bbf1c2c611fa?shareToken=31f8a065623f2fd5e7fc209f6ffea2ad

NHS review rejects puberty blockers for gender transition in children

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/5f04e9ac-ead3-41e9-b199-07a18460f7bd?shareToken=adba279533f5c98c5316fe22b3aad2d6

Nine key findings from the Cass review into gender transition

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/cb8e1bb3-0526-4431-81cb-ff0c48fabd43?shareToken=e6e1e5c2258f001e657952962e6ca6bb

Sajid Javid: NHS let gender ideology replace children’s best interest

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/f84bc183-0f0a-4b28-b365-9fb6fb3fbf69?shareToken=2a408354d03adba4a0b401934f7ab2d8

Telegraph

LEAD STORY
NHS to review all trans treatment
Evidence for letting children change gender built on shaky foundations, says Cass report

digitaleditions.telegraph.co.uk/data/1669/reader/reader.html?social#!preferred/0/package/1669/pub/1669/page/2/article/NaN

Under-25s’ trans care must be slower
Recommendations from key report also include early help for pupils who wish to socially transition

digitaleditions.telegraph.co.uk/data/1669/reader/reader.html?social#!preferred/0/package/1669/pub/1669/page/25/article/NaN

Allison Pearson

The Cass report lays bare what we all knew about the trans brainwashing cult

digitaleditions.telegraph.co.uk/data/1669/reader/reader.html?social#!preferred/0/package/1669/pub/1669/page/70/article/NaN

Said over on the other thread too, but I've appreciated the use of the factual term 'registered female at birth' throughout the Cass report, rather than the more ideological 'assigned female at birth'.

Currently playing a clip of the interview with Cass

Interview with Dr Hilary Cass 7:30 am bbc r4 Today programme www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/5046945-interview-with-dr-hilary-cass-730-am-bbc-r4-today-programme

Radio 4 are talking about it every 15 mins.

Do

'There are few other areas of healthcare where professionals are so afraid to openly discuss their views, where people are vilified on social media, and where name-calling echoes the worst bullying behaviour. This must stop.

'Polarisation and stifling of debate do nothing to help the young people caught in the middle of a stormy social discourse, and in the long run will also hamper the research that is essential to finding the best way of supporting them to thrive.'

Oh.

I think there's a few people who have been dragged through the mud who should feel enormously proud and also have every right to feel enormously smug today.

There's also a bunch of politicians who need to do some apologising and should remove block filters.

I also like the official recognition and stated need of medical services for detransition.

Detransitioners have visibility and can no longer be swept under the carpet as an inconvenience.

Hannah Barnes is going to be on GMB (ITV1) at 7.30am.