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Is JK Rowling ‘too big to be cancelled’?

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IwantToRetire · 06/04/2024 18:20

When JK Rowling dared police to arrest her for challenging Scotland’s new hate crime law, one outcome was assured – the multi-billion-pound Harry Potter brand continues to be a licence to print money whatever controversy surrounds her vocal campaigns.

The author, whose provocative posts this week will not be treated as criminal by police, has become one of the few public figures who appear to be “too big to cancel”, due to the enduring appeal of her wizarding franchise for big business.

Accused of transphobia for her vocal support for sex-based rights, Rowling has faced calls for a boycott of Harry Potter, from its books and movies to the blockbuster video game Hogwarts Legacy.

Potter movie actors including Daniel Radcliffe, Rupert Grint and Emma Watson joined the backlash, criticising her comments.

Younger staff members at one of her publishers, Hachette, threatened to down tools and refuse to work on her book, The Ickabog, in protest at her views.

Rowling has said she is not concerned about how the backlash to her position on transgender issues – she has stated that sex is biological and that female-only spaces should be protected – will affect her legacy.

She had added that anyone who thinks she is concerned has “profoundly” misunderstood her.

Corporations which might normally distance themselves from public figures who face “cancellation” for offending minority groups are standing by her.

Hachette pulled rank on its staff, saying it was “proud to publish” The Ickabog, citing “freedom of expression” as a cornerstone of publishing.

The BBC is currently shooting season six of Strike, the detective novels published by Rowling under the pseudonym Robert Galbraith.
A ratings winner for the BBC, the broadcaster is expecting additional scrutiny of the new episodes which adapt The Ink Black Heart, the novel which echoes her situation with the inclusion of a character accused of transphobia.

The BBC has had to apologise twice to Rowling after guests on news shows accused her of being transphobic.

The author has seized control of her own narrative by appearing on the podcast The Witch Trials of JK Rowling, claiming that she is not concerned that the backlash will affect her legacy and that anyone who thinks she is transphobic has “profoundly” misunderstood her.

Its a much longer article than these few paragraphs, but I am surprised by the tone as it is published in the "i" paper https://inews.co.uk/news/media/jk-rowling-too-big-to-cancel-2987608

Can also be read at https://archive.ph/KavRe

Is JK Rowling 'too big to be cancelled'?

Her views on transgender issues have provoked boycott calls but Harry Potter is still a huge money-maker

https://inews.co.uk/news/media/jk-rowling-too-big-to-cancel-2987608

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IwantToRetire · 07/04/2024 00:22

For those not on twitter so cant see what JKR said:

J.K. Rowling

You’ve asked me several questions on this thread and accused me of avoiding answering, so here goes.

I believe a woman is a human being who belongs to the sex class that produces large gametes. It’s irrelevant whether or not her gametes have ever been fertilised, whether or not she’s carried a baby to term, irrelevant if she was born with a rare difference of sexual development that makes neither of the above possible, or if she’s aged beyond being able to produce viable eggs. She is a woman and just as much a woman as the others.

I don’t believe a woman is more or less of a woman for having sex with men, women, both or not wanting sex at all. I don’t think a woman is more or less of a woman for having a buzz cut and liking suits and ties, or wearing stilettos and mini dresses, for being black, white or brown, for being six feet tall or a little person, for being kind or cruel, angry or sad, loud or retiring. She isn't more of a woman for featuring in Playboy or being a surrendered wife, nor less of a woman for designing space rockets or taking up boxing. What makes her a woman is the fact of being born in a body that, assuming nothing has gone wrong in her physical development (which, as stated above, still doesn't stop her being a woman), is geared towards producing eggs as opposed to sperm, towards bearing as opposed to begetting children, and irrespective of whether she's done either of those things, or ever wants to.

Womanhood isn't a mystical state of being, nor is it measured by how well one apes sex stereotypes. We are not the creatures either porn or the Bible tell you we are. Femaleness is not, as trans woman Andrea Chu Long wrote, ‘an open mouth, an expectant asshole, blank, blank eyes,’ nor are we God’s afterthought, sprung from Adam’s rib.

Women are provably subject to certain experiences because of our female bodies, including different forms of oppression, depending on the cultures in which we live. When trans activists say 'I thought you didn't want to be defined by your biology,' it’s a feeble and transparent attempt at linguistic sleight of hand. Women don't want to be limited, exploited, punished, or subject to other unjust treatment because of their biology, but our being female is indeed defined by our biology. It's one material fact about us, like having freckles or disliking beetroot, neither of which are representative of our entire beings, either. Women have billions of different personalities and life stories, which have nothing to do with our bodies, although we are likely to have had experiences men don't and can't, because we belong to our sex class.

Some people feel strongly that they should have been, or wish to be seen as, the sex class into which they weren't born. Gender dysphoria is a real and very painful condition and I feel nothing but sympathy for anyone who suffers from it. I want them to be free to dress and present themselves however they like and I want them to have exactly the same rights as every other citizen regarding housing, employment and personal safety. I do not, however, believe that surgeries and cross-sex hormones literally turn a person into the opposite sex, nor do I believe in the idea that each of us has a nebulous ‘gender identity’ that may or might not match our sexed bodies. I believe the ideology that preaches those tenets has caused, and continues to cause, very real harm to vulnerable people.

I am strongly against women's and girls' rights and protections being dismantled to accommodate trans-identified men, for the very simple reason that no study has ever demonstrated that trans-identified men don't have exactly the same pattern of criminality as other men, and because, however they identify, men retain their advantages of speed and strength. In other words, I think the safety and rights of girls and women are more important than those men's desire for validation. I sincerely hope that answers your questions.

You may still disagree, but as I hope this shows, I’m more than happy to have this debate.

https://twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/1776616861888655835?t=uMTZuuBYwVJ91I9X1BHz9w&s=19

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GenderlessVoid · 07/04/2024 00:18

Viviennemary · 06/04/2024 19:54

I don't like her at all. She seems to be stirring up trouble for troubles sake. Not on.

I think she's stirring up trouble but not for trouble's sake. She's fighting to protect women and girls. She's stirring up what ppl in the US call "good trouble", the kind of trouble that's usually necessary to change the status quo.

It's a term made famous by civil rights leader and US Congressman John Lewis:

"Do not get lost in a sea of despair. Be hopeful, be optimistic. Our struggle is not the struggle of a day, a week, a month, or a year, it is the struggle of a lifetime. Never, ever be afraid to make some noise and get in good trouble, necessary trouble."

“Get in good trouble, necessary trouble, and help redeem the soul of America [Scotland].”

ChorltonsWheelies · 07/04/2024 00:17

Viviennemary · 06/04/2024 19:54

I don't like her at all. She seems to be stirring up trouble for troubles sake. Not on.

She seems to be stirring up trouble for troubles women and girl’s sakes

Fixed that for you.

ditalini · 07/04/2024 00:14

I don't think she's got a great deal of interest in being "popular" which remains a way that a very wealthy person can be affected by cancel culture.

Anyway, I've been so impressed by the way she's dealt with it all. The tweet today further clarifying her position (for those at the back who don't get it yet) was a powerful piece of writing.

twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/1776616861888655835?t=uMTZuuBYwVJ91I9X1BHz9w&s=19

Ofcourseshecan · 07/04/2024 00:10

Viviennemary · 06/04/2024 19:54

I don't like her at all. She seems to be stirring up trouble for troubles sake. Not on.

Because we should all keep quiet and accept the erasure of women as a sex class and the demolition of our single-sex rights without complaining.

To hell with that.

Fizzadora · 06/04/2024 23:57

Ahh see when all this kicked of with JK Rowling they did try to cancel her, the hipsters and the young publishing staff and the young actors in the films and it almost seemed like they would succeed because the older people who employ them who actually recognise facts were too scared to call bullshit in case they got cancelled.
Tide's turned now.

JanesLittleGirl · 06/04/2024 23:47

So what I'm hearing is 'well obviously she is right but why is she using her financial weight and social credentials (traditional male levers) to drive it home instead of doing it in a feminine way '.

It's because she gives a fuck!

MrsOvertonsWindow · 06/04/2024 22:53

If you read the comments under Suzanne Moore's article - 850 so far - they're all in support and full of praise for her.

She's courageous and is uncompromising in her determination to safeguard children and support women in the face of this toxic ideology.

Datun · 06/04/2024 22:37

She knows she's in a very fortunate position

"Rowling felt we were going through the most misogynistic era ever and had decided to speak up. This cannot have been easy. She told me, “It’s going to have to be me, isn’t it? Because I will always be able to feed my kids, even if everyone boycotts my books for the rest of my life. That is a phenomenally privileged position to be in. I consider myself one of the most fortunate people on Earth.”

But equally, she didn't have to do it.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/columnists/2024/04/05/jk-rowling-courage-snp-scotland-hate-crime-law-humza-yousaf/

Plus, of course, there will be very few people who could do it quite so well.

If you want someone writing about your point of view, one of the world's bestselling authors is probably going be right up there !

JK Rowling’s victory over Humza Yousaf’s hate crime laws is a victory for all women

The author humiliated the SNP with a lesson in solidarity, sisterhood and the simple but incendiary power of saying no – she’s a rockstar

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/columnists/2024/04/05/jk-rowling-courage-snp-scotland-hate-crime-law-humza-yousaf/

curiositykilledthiscat · 06/04/2024 21:20

Sure, and it’s only about one thing - money. She is a cash cow for hundreds, maybe thousands, of people (and that’s not meant pejoratively). The books, the Strike TV shows, the rumoured Harry Potter TV series…some people’s incomes depend on her, essentially.

savoycabbage · 06/04/2024 21:13

It's so the very opposite of trouble for troubles sake. She's using her position for women.

BIWI · 06/04/2024 21:10

Viviennemary · 06/04/2024 19:54

I don't like her at all. She seems to be stirring up trouble for troubles sake. Not on.

Are you a woman, @Viviennemary?

AmeliaEarhart · 06/04/2024 21:07

I think it might be partly because the target audience for her most famous/successful work are children so don’t know/give a shit about the argument for cancelling her.

I get that there are plenty of young (or not so young anymore) adults who grew up with her books and the films and seems to feel a certain ownership over them and that JKR somehow owes them something and should conform to their thinking, but in reality there is also a generation of kids who are discovering and in thrall to the Harry Potter stories who neither know nor care about the trans controversies.

borntobequiet · 06/04/2024 21:05

It’s extraordinary that, in a world where so many demonstrably bad people do so many demonstrably bad things, this good, talented, empathic, truthful woman is monstered by so many.

ProncessDiana · 06/04/2024 20:51

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RaininSummer · 06/04/2024 20:37

I am very glad that 'she is stirring up trouble' as somebody put it above. Many, many of us agree with every word she says but can't risk saying it ourselves and also we won't get the important news coverage which lays it all out plainly and hopefully helps the scales fall from more eyes.

IwantToRetire · 06/04/2024 20:25

What I took from the article is cynical capitalism.

As we know many other people, mostly women but some like Glinner, have been cancelled. And it has been at great cost to their employment, family live, reputation etc.. And this isn't because a huge number of people have objected to them, but a small minority of very persistents TRAs.

And those with the money or ability to make sure they aren't cancelled have weighed up the financial cost to themselves and thought these people aren't that important, and even though we previously published them (or whatever) because we want to ingratiate ourselves with what seems like the new vogue ie trans we will take a gamble on backing them.

Initially it seemed like even the film companies were going to ditch, and did indeed sideline JKR, and tried to exploit her work without having her involved.

But what happened is that the creative powerhouse of her work just kept on being produced, and importantly for those who could have pulled the plug, kept on bringing in zillions of ££££s.

I very much doubt these companies or producers care either way. They just care which way the money is flowing.

So in no way disrespectful to JKR, she hasn't been cancelled because of her huge earning power.

Which is great for her and for us as she uses her status to promote women's sex based rights.

But for those on the fringes without the same income generating power, being cancelled can and does still happen.

So the power of the trans zealots only becomes real when employers, financiers, film makers, theatres heed the zealots rather than the paying public.

In a way that makes the whole scenario even worse.

But then most TRAs are bullies, and as we know bullies like to pick on those less able to help themselves and / or have the means to do it.

Would have been interesting if the writer of the article had stopped for a moment to reflect on the role of the MSM in terms of amplifying the voices of TRAs.

Something that the "i" has been very active in.

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theDudesmummy · 06/04/2024 20:25

@Viviennemary "Stirring up trouble"? No, telling the truth and fighting for the rights and safety of women and girls. The "trouble" is being "stirred up" by misogynistic/predatory men and their inexplicable allies amongst impressionable and sometimes mentally disordered young people.

RedRosie · 06/04/2024 20:23

I hope she is. She's magnificent.

notkeenonkiwis · 06/04/2024 20:21

I think she's great and am pleased that she has a voice that can't easily be silenced.

QueenOfTheEntireFuckingUniverse · 06/04/2024 20:17

Hasn't she said before that she speaks up because not everyone who wants to can. Because most women can't afford to potentially lose their jobs/have a court case etc. But she can afford to.

HidingBehindTheWallpaper · 06/04/2024 20:14

Elephantswillnever · 06/04/2024 20:11

This. I think it’s a small proportion of people who are very vocal who’d like to cancel her. A bunch of vocal terfs who are on here who would like to support her. Then there is the other 90% of the population who don’t give a shit about the issue.

Don’t forget the number of people who support her but fear for their jobs if they say something out loud.

lonelywater · 06/04/2024 20:14

Viviennemary · 06/04/2024 19:54

I don't like her at all. She seems to be stirring up trouble for troubles sake. Not on.

Oh no! You dont like her! I sure JKR will be devastated, devastated I tell you to hear that. Meanwhile, the trouble as you put it (by which most on here regard as. lets see-male rapists in women prisons, the sterilising of kids with experimental drugs, women athletes being cheated out of records and prizes by men and a few other things) remains true whether or not you think any of that matters. if you do think that stuff matters, what are we supposed to do? Shut up in case some people regard us as "troublemakers"? Fuck that for a lark.

HidingBehindTheWallpaper · 06/04/2024 20:13

Viviennemary · 06/04/2024 19:54

I don't like her at all. She seems to be stirring up trouble for troubles sake. Not on.

What if she said something you agree with? Would you think she was stirring up trouble then?

NotTerfNorCis · 06/04/2024 20:12

Judging by the reaction on Twitter, JK has a huge amount of support and her opinions are very widely shared. She could be the one to bring down the ideology.