I have no words...

I'm no expert but I believe they remove the cervix when they burn the vagina shut (or perform a v-nectomy as gender identity believers term it). Those with a strong stomach can learn about the procedures used for people trying to look like the other sex on the SRS and GRS thread on KF. Those performed on (mostly young) women seem more barbaric and less successful (either in form or function) to me, but eye of the beholder I suppose.

You cannot be a former woman. You are born a female, grow up & become an Adult Human Female.

If as a woman you get a piece of flesh made into a faux penis this is attached. You’d still have your cervix.

I have had a radical hysterectomy, I no longer have a cervix. I don’t require cervical screening.

Not all women have a cervix but only women have a cervix. No man does.

Exactly this.

It’s not about feelings - it’s about biology. Being a woman (or not) isn’t about how you ‘feel’ (what does a man or woman feel like anyway?).

This is potentially life saving screening. If you are pig headed enough to stamp your feet and say ‘nope nope nope, NOT a woman’ then you need help. Would you also demand to be called for a prostate exam?

Just putting it out there but what about a former woman who would have a cervix but has had some sort of male appendage created. How could this person attend for cervical screening?

Could it have said “Women (including transmen)”?

Women ARE the people with a cervix, like it or not.

This seems exemplary to me - it says it targets women, and then it adds "and people with a cervix" to cover anyone with female anatomy that may not be able to acknowledge it right now.

Can you explain what your issue is with this communication? It seems to tick all the boxes people here have been asking for - are we missing something?

I agree.
I'm sick of all the pandering to the feelings of men who like to say they're women and women who like to say they're men (and the feelings of those of either sex who like to say they're non-binary).
Equivocating language like this should have no place in medical services and treatment, or any science for that matter. It muddies the waters. Clarity and simplicity of language is vital.

If a woman who says she's something else looks at a leaflet that says 'all women should get regular cervical smears' and decides not to go in a fit of pique because she doesn't like the word woman, frankly that's her choice and her lookout IMO.

It’s all happy buzz words and catchy slogans. And pretty flags and a change to scream at people.

One of the reasons the ideology has managed to get such a grip on society in such a short time is that many people believe there must be some real medicine and science underpinning it. There isn't: it is all utter, utter bollocks.

Children and young people are going to be more likely to end up as believing they need harmful 'treatment' to 'affirm' their 'gender identities' if they are getting ambiguous messages about the validity of these beliefs from the adults in schools and the rest of society. ALL state institutions, but particularly health services, need all their messaging to be clearly consistent with the truth that human sex is binary and immutable.

Yes, women who identify as 'transmen' still need smear tests. Those who are taking testosterone will be in close contact with the health services for the rest of their lives to deal with the ongoing damage to their bodies, so it should not be difficult to target messages directly to them. (Though most of them will require hysterectomies soon after starting testosterone anyway, so the question of cervical cancer screening is moot).

FWIW I totally agree with your first sentence but please don’t patronise other women by implying that they’re chippy and should pipe down. Some of us are very sensitive to this ideology capture in the NHS - it is likely to have real world consequences and is important. So telling people to stfu about it is not cool.

The initial check for prostate problems is a digital rectal exam. The doctor inserts a gloved finger into the rectum, and palpates the prostate for lumps and unusual features.

I presume it's his finger that he uses.

Sorry, I have to ask - digital as in computer based, or simply with a finger?

No, for all the reasons outlined - that's still genuflecting to gender identity. The most elegant solution would simply annotate the word "women": asterisk, then in footnotes: the word "woman" is used here to refer to the biological sex and therefore includes people who might not define their gender identity as women." The BBC has long done something similar on migration articles back when UNHCR declared the word "migrant" non grata.

It should just be women. Men in frocks don't have a cervix.

I’m not sure I knew I had a cervix until I went for a cervical smear, which I was invited to go for as I was a woman🤷‍♀️

I genuinely don't understand at what point girls are going to find out they even have a cervix when schools are teaching them they can change sex.

How does one find out this fact in the first place?

I suggest this wording: "women (which includes, obviously, every person who has a cervix)".

I'm with you OP it's stupid pandering to a minuscule number of the population, who know that they are women really when it comes down to it. And it's very confusing messaging, if I am male how do I know if I have a cervix? But at least it says women so it's a start!

This is fine IMO.

I wonder how you find out whether you have a cervix or not?

I had to fill out an Alliance Health form last week for my child which had compulsory questions for all patients aged 12-55 including what form of contraception the patient was using and if they had a medical condition that meant they were unable to get pregnant. Being male counts, right? He thought it was hilarious being asked the date of his last menstrual period. There was a sex assigned at birth section but saying male didn't mean you could skip the pregnancy section.

Facts are facts. Playing with words isn’t particularly helpful or mature.

It should just be women. Transmen should be educated enough to know if they have a cervix. In fact all women and men should but, having taught biology and sex education, the misinformation in quite incredible.

If a transwoman reckons they have a cervix they are misinformed or lying.