Telegraph: Teaching union opposes schools having to tell parents if child changes gender

Oh and also all the pressure about attendance. If my DD was in a school without single sex toilets I would NOT make her go to school during her period. If the school can break the law and fail to safeguard my child, I'd think, I'm bloody well going to follow suit in order to safeguard my child.

Development charities know that single sex, female only toilets are a prerequisite for girls to access education and yet somehow in this country we're too stupid to realise this still applies to girls in the UK too.

I bet there is lower attendance in schools where there are only mixed sex (even if by stealth) toilets. Funny how no-one's done this analysis, it should be easy.

And being encouraged by the NEU to break the law.

It's very serious. How are parents supposed to trust teachers when this anti-safeguarding, law breaking rubbish is what their unions are promoting?

And the DfE is worrying about the tsunami of families choosing to homeschool. Not very bright or good at joining dots are they?

The more concerning interpretation is that this person knows damn well that children will feel the power dynamic and stay quiet for that reason.

Yes. safeguarding training explores how children can be easily coerced and targeted. Manipulated.

It's sinister when you really consider the wider implications, and what we know about some individuals linked to WPATH etc.,

It's horrific.

The teaching union is supposed to be a on top of its game.

It's wilfully leading teachers into situations where they could be charged with major safeguarding violations and potentially sued by parents.

They are not the government and they are not clinically trained.

Trans activists have found loopholes where they can target the most vulnerable in society with their ideology and coercion.

Part of the very issue here is the conflation of gender with sex

It’s an enormous part of the issue, and one reason why I always correct “gender” to “sex” if I possibly can.

Part of the very issue here is the conflation of gender with sex, thus leading to the idea that if you socially transition from one set of gender stereotypes to another you can change sex. Which is the level of understanding a seven year old has.

Gender is not sex and no one can change sex.

In trying to muddy the waters, seven year olds are deliberately mislead and it's only when they are old enough to understand

ResisterRex · Yesterday 21:30

An analysis of more than 600 school equality and trans policies reveals that up to three-quarters misrepresent laws protecting sex and gender, with some implementing rules that allow boys to use girls’ lavatories and changing rooms if they say they are a girl.

As we know, from countless posts with links to the law on this, having children over the age of 8 share toilet and changing facilities is illegal.

To be clear, these schools are being allowed to break the law.

You read that post correctly. Speakers at the NEU conference were* *very clear. They oppose the guidelines, calling them “compulsory outing". They insist that they can choose to keep secrets from parents, despite parents being the primary carers for a child, morally and legally responsible for safeguarding them.

Socially transitioning a child is pretending they've changed their sex.

We all know it's a fantasy but I suspect the 7 year old child that the speaker cited as having transitioned over a holiday will believe they've really changed sex. They're only 7 and have yet to develop the maturity, critical faculties and insight to challenge any lies that adults might tell them

A teacher's union is demanding the right to socially transition children, in secret from their parents, despite their complete lack of qualifications in sex change for children.

I do wonder why Kathryn, with her woeful understanding of child development, thinks she's qualified to cheerlead such a serious medical intervention.

Let's hope Kathryn reads Cass..

And perhaps also some history. If you're thinking that children not speaking up means everything is fine / relying on children speaking up if there's something wrong then a) you're an idiot who doesn't understand the purpose of safeguarding frameworks and b)what are the adults FOR, exactly? Children mature enough to understand all the complex issues around social and medical transition and wider impacts on the entire school community surely could also just teach themselves? They might be better off if it's a choice between that and Kathryn.

Kathryn Barton, an NEU member, said she knew of a seven-year-old who had transitioned during the summer holiday and said that “not a single pupil” had a problem with it.

Hi I'm Kathryn. I have no concept of seven year olds becoming older and it becoming an issue as kids hit puberty and become emotional mature enough to understand. I have no concept of what makes children feel unable what grown ups tell them. I have no concept of how a child socially transitioned at 7 might feel at 13 and whether they would be able to socially detransition given evidence that it was fairly normal to detransition. I have no concept of parents being homophobic, sexually abusive, children being autistic or just generally being sexist and this being a contributing factor to forcing transition due to a lack of ability to comprehend what transitioning actually means.

Hi I'm Kathryn and my brains fell out and I can't think beyond seven year olds just being nice.

I'd support this

Many switched to neu for the last strikes at our place

There's an art teacher union. I don't know if there's any other subject specific ones.

I'm in the neu but watching closely how they react to Cass.

I'd been reassured that the current leader is onside but severely doubting it now. Though has also been told it's extremely bad in there if you're GC. Unless they think the gov will come down so firmly in the light of Cass that that will end things?

I know of one teacher who's left over this.

No, I don’t think so. You can only take your employer to ET. Unions don't employ their members.

Same here. No one I know in teaching believes this nonsense or is anti-safeguarding.

Then again, we are also all NASUWT at my school (or the school leaders' union), hence no strikes at all last year.

Placemarking for the explosions on Wednesday.

Of course you are right, @Dumbledoreslemonsherbets , it's madness.

THIS is when we need LangCleg back, she would have said all of this more coherently and understands the law better. But oh no, talking about safeguarding isn't NICE and THIS is the end result.

Why do we accept the TRA framing? We don't need EA 2010 here. It shoudn't be the primary law when it comes to children in schools. If safeguarding law / statutory guidance overrides GDPR - as clearly stated in KCSIE that it does - then it surely also has primacy over EA2010?

I'm sure there is discrimination against science realist teachers and parents (including those of faiths requiring single sex spaces to remain as expected under existing laws in schools) too but PLEASE can we address the serious safeguarding law breaches before we get to discrimination?.

Are there literally no lawyers who specialise in safeguarding law and existing statutory guidance? Is it all basically meaningless and totally pointless unless serious harm comes to a child (which is quite possibly actually happening here although everyone is working hard to not record any facts about that)?

What about adultification of children which is the cornerstone of gender ideology? This used to be seen as a red flag for safeguarding and potential abuse - again developmentally inappropriate expectations are said to potentially be emotional abuse as outlined in KCSIE - and this union and apparently schools, doctors and bloody everyone else except a few brave whistleblowers and parents are framing children as adults routinely. It's a safeguarding failure. If it's not, why can children decide what sex they want to be but can't drink, drive, get a job, get married or have sex? Because it's definitely just as serious as all these things and in some cases more serious. I'd rather my teenager decide to drive, which I'm fairly confident she could do right now safely with a bit of tuition, than go down the irreversable pathway of sex change before she's fully matured.

And why the ever living Tunnocks am I, a Mum on Mumsnet (albeit with some experience in education) seemingly one of only a few pointing these blazingly obvious facts out? Living in hope for some sense from Cass on Weds.

This may well be right but....

Before we get to whether the teachers are discriminated against.

Surely any union suggesting / encouraging teachers to break safeguarding guidance and law could be legally challenged over that illegal, safeguarding breaching advice?

Their members are bound by law to uphold both KCSIE and Working Together to Safeguard children. Their advice is the opposite of doing this.

p. 14 of the STATUTORY safeguarding guidance (Working Together) applying to all organisations (including schools) who work with children lays out the principles for working with carers and parents which are ridden over roughshod by any recommendation that children are socially transitioned without speaking to / informing parents.

Bearing in mind that it is actually impossible for schools to keep this secret when they're also coercing hundreds of other children to use wrong -sex pronouns (thereby , under existing definitions in KCSIE, potentially emotionally abusing them - my interpretation would be this action would definitely constitute emotional abuse as outlined in KCSIE if they are primary school aged and debatably at secondary but almost certainly for children with SEND who are being coerced into using non standard English and wrong-sex pronouns).

And that's before we even get to the fact that toilets are supposed to be single sex over 8 under existing law so THAT law will be being broken by this guidance if it means children are put in mixed sex toilets (and again, without parental knowledge or consent breaches Working Together etc).

My other half switched Edapt for the last few years. I do not understand why any teacher is still in the NEU. The NASUWT is not quite as bad but there are alternatives - Edapt (though not a full trade union), Affinity (is a trades union and covers education) is non-political.